Tieribly angry wee fannies fannying about with the tiers

[dancemom]

Things moved quickly so I just started a new one ...

I also thought it was great news that 52,000 hospitalisations had been prevented by the vaccinations which is a huge amount and very positive 😁

I'm not sure also if the 77% takes account of those who caught covid in hospital and it became the main reason they were in even though they were admitted for something else. The data we have been given is pretty rubbish tbh. Understandable a bit when it all started but we shouldn't still be being fed stuff that just fits whatever narrative they want, we should be given accurate, relevant data so that we can properly risk assess. And we still don't have that data for Scotland.

@TheGenealogist

They don't mean "under 12s" though. They mean primary schools. No masks in Primary School. Some of the new S1 starting this week will be 12. Others won't be 12 until February next year. All will be expected to wear masks for 6 hours a day in school. We had this situation last year when Queen Nicola declared that 12 year olds couldn't play with their friends, but 11 year olds could. DS was 12, his friend was 11. Friend said he was playing with DS, but DS wasn't playing with him.

Exactly. The guidance says "It is recommended that, in the case of the small number of children already attending secondary school before their 12th birthday, they are encouraged to follow the same rules that apply to those aged 12 and over to align with their peer group."

But that's not an actual legal requirement, and would only apply in school and not in the wider community (though I suppose it could be made a school rule so they don't have much say while there... I mean, it's not law to wear a particular kind of shoes, trousers and tie, but children can still be punished in school for not doing so). And I'm not so sure it really is a" small number of children" - as you say it'll be anyone turning 12 between August and February, which is about half the year group (the other half turning 12 Jan-July while still in P7). So there will be 12 year olds wearing masks in shops but not in school, and 11 year olds wearing masks in school but not in shops. Which all makes perfect sense...

And because of course covid can detect when someone has their birthday and pounce!

Just let people who want to wear them crack on and gie the rest of us peace.

and I believe uniform can not be enforced in Scotland either? I'm ambivalent about uniform to be honest.

@TheGenealogist

They don't mean "under 12s" though. They mean primary schools. No masks in Primary School. Some of the new S1 starting this week will be 12. Others won't be 12 until February next year. All will be expected to wear masks for 6 hours a day in school. We had this situation last year when Queen Nicola declared that 12 year olds couldn't play with their friends, but 11 year olds could. DS was 12, his friend was 11. Friend said he was playing with DS, but DS wasn't playing with him.

I'm glad my son is not 12 until October. He won't be wearing it in S1 whether it's encouraged or not and hopefully by the time he is 12 we will have to come our senses.

@ElephantOfRisk

and I believe uniform can not be enforced in Scotland either? I'm ambivalent about uniform to be honest.

Oh, I didn't know that! I thought that was just primaries. But yes, it is all a bit of a nonsense.

@ElephantOfRisk

And because of course covid can detect when someone has their birthday and pounce!

Just let people who want to wear them crack on and gie the rest of us peace.

A massive yes to this

@latissimusdorsi

Sorry I'm rubbish at linking *@forfucksakenett* but it was on BBC news website 30th July

23% of people in hospital with Covid were admitted for another reason (like a broken leg)
And yes I assume these figs would be similar across the uk

This is interesting - I hadn't seen those figures but they're not surprising!

As I said on the other thread, I was admitted to hospital overnight on Thursday, and while I was waiting for a bed, a nurse came up to me and said (with more jollity than strictly necessary) "I'm just going to give you some covid swabs". I stopped him before he got anywhere near me with his fluffy sticks to say I'd tested positive within the last 90 days (his face fell) - but had I not known that, and had I still tested positive (which I may well not have, I know) I'm not sure if I'd have made the stats (it may have flagged against my name/ CHI number or something) or if my treatment would have been any different. I didn't go into hospital for a covid reason as such (weird headache), but one of the possible causes could have been related to the vaccine, and another could have been related to covid itself, though they ruled both of those out pretty quickly. It's all hypothetical obviously, and I wouldn't have even thought of contacting the GP had I NOT recently had the vaccine, but if I had tested positive I wonder if the assumption would have been it was a symptom of covid itself, so I'd have been admitted for a covid reason, even though it wasn't actually due to covid or anything severe at all? Though they didn't know that until they had completed the investigations. Who knows... (I'm not entirely self obsessed, honestly, but I was just wondering)

Anyway, you can kind of understand how covid does spread in situations like that. The lady in the bed next to me had been brought in without having had swabs for some reason, and was woken to get them done after 3 or 4 hours. As I haven't heard anything, I'm assuming she was negative, but given the turnover of people, high pressure with much more urgent things to be treated before sticking swabs up people's noses, you can understand things would get missed! Not everyone has the decency to do a Lft before requiring the services of paramedics/ A and E!

@Scottishskifun not grumpy. Bemused at your sense of superiority when you clearly didn't read my post but still felt compelled to correct me.

81% of Uk hospital admissions with Covid are overweight or obese.

• 1,386 new cases of COVID-19 reported
• 24,025 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
◦ 6.3% of these were positive
• 9 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
• 41 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 359 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,022,914 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,305,325 have received their second dose

@WouldBeGood

81% of Uk hospital admissions with Covid are overweight or obese.

So whilst not saying it's an easy thing, this was identified as a risk factor fairly early on but we are told to get jagged and wear masks, but has there been any extra support to help people lose weight? Not judging, I'm overweight myself but have been consciously losing it though I do need to exercise more.

Helping people to eat healthy and get fit should be a priority no?

I don't have a magic wand and yes, people have personal responsibility and it's not easy and health conditions can make it so much harder and I don't know specifically what should be done, but it starts with education and hope and ambition like many other things.

We need to be getting folks eating more fruit and veg but it's hard to see how - I wince when I see my supermarket bill with the high cost of high quality fruit and veg. Junk food and sweets is so much cheaper.

Totally agree about helping people get healthy @ElephantOfRisk. It's been known for a long while that obesity increases risk massively, and a more recent study showed that diet quality improved your chances independent of weight. Perhaps while we were putting so much effort into stopping spread (with mixed results I think its fair to say) at least as much effort should have been put into increasing resilience in case people did catch it (through better general health). Instead the nature of the restrictions, discouraging activity and increasing stress and poor mental health, has probably made people less able to fight it off if anything.

That 81% figure is quite shocking, though apparently 66% of adults are overweight/obese in scotland, (79% of 65-74 yr olds, and 71% over 75s) so set against that it's not hugely out of proportion - especially as the older, heavier cohort are at the most risk anyway, purely because of their age.

I agree they should be focusing on weight reduction and so on, but I think for so long the narrative has been to reduce spread of the virus itself, rather than making sure people who get it cope better than they might otherwise. So weight reduction could well be something to focus on now we're "living with the virus" - though, as with long covid, I'm not aware of any coherent thinking in Scotland on that specifically.

Admittedly, it's not as if we haven't known for a while that weight is quite a significant health issue for all sorts of reasons, yet it is still a big problem across the UK, and especially Scotland. There have been programmes put in place, but it is a very complex thing to tackle, linked in, like everything to education, poverty, time availability and so on - so I appreciate it's probably not the easiest "bang for buck" to address for any government dealing with covid!

@Grellbunt

We need to be getting folks eating more fruit and veg but it's hard to see how - I wince when I see my supermarket bill with the high cost of high quality fruit and veg. Junk food and sweets is so much cheaper.

Yes, especially on a budget though there are cheaper options, carrots and bananas being a couple.

I'm not on a tight budget but notice when you scan yourself that I can be up to £40 before getting out of the fruit and veg aisle.

Also need cooking lessons back so folk know what to do with it.

I'm a member of a Facebook page for Scottish recipes and the amount of people asking for recipes for things like mince and tatties, stovies, lentil soup is unreal. People have lost skills they would have gained from parents. Kids spend time in their rooms so don't see what parents are cooking, if they cook...

You can buy cheap fruit avd veg in the discount shops, and frozen, and eat well cheaply. But if you’re poor and fed up and your life is crap then junk food options are a little bit of happiness. It goes back tackling the root causes of poverty and inequality.

And naice muddle class people are scared to let their kids cook- DS is amazed that lots of his S1 class had never been allowed to as too dangerous..!

@forfucksakenett

BREAKING: Figures from Public Health England say 55% of people hospitalised with the delta variant were unvaccinated, while nearly 35% had received two doses of a vaccine. [sky news]

This doesn't seem great tbh but I suppose that generally hospital numbers are still low.

I know this was ages ago, and the conversation's moved on, but I saw this graphic on another thread which explains the apparently large (and increasing) proportion of double jagged being hospitalised really clearly! The reasoning is something I kind of vaguely understood, but this helped me solidify it in my head And of course, if 100% of the population were double jagged, 100% of hospitalisations would be! So the success of the vaccine needs to be measured as to how low the hospitalisations are, rather than what proportion of hospitalisations are vaccinated.

Sorry... As you were...

@WouldBeGood

81% of Uk hospital admissions with Covid are overweight or obese.

I've always suspected this as 9 times out of 10 the people being interviewed on tv either in hospital or just come home are definitely overweight
Where did that statistic come from @WouldBeGood ?

Saw a study referred to on Twitter/ it’s actually admission to ICU I should have said.

Have a look on the feed by Show Me The Data on Twitter

Thanks @WouldBeGood interesting reading

So if we still need to social distance in health care settings, what about health care and medicine courses and students?

I'm guessing that it's meaning that patients/ visitors need to social distance in healthcare settings. Staff and students definitely won't, the clinical environment does not allow this to happen.
Do you mean healthcare students when on placement or in the college/ uni environment?