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Tieribly angry wee fannies fannying about with the tiers

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dancemom · 29/07/2021 20:31

Things moved quickly so I just started a new one ...

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ResilienceWanker · 06/08/2021 19:56

Just catching up with the new guidance for Monday. Dropping masks for under 12s is a big one, which I don't think has really been picked up anywhere in all the media til now what a surprise. DS will be pleased! It's always been weird that they don't have to socially distance from anyone indoors or out, but have been supposed to wear a mask in all the same places as adults!

I'm a bit worried about the tone of the rest of the guidance... "advising businesses to keep these practices in place such as screens, queue management and having robust processes in place for managing outbreaks.... strongly encourage the use of table service where possible..." I know that's effectively what the rest of the UK is doing, but they haven't promised to review the guidance every 3 weeks! If it's just guidance, why does it need reviewing to ensure it's proportionate and whatnot?! If the SG is saying they recommend these things to minimise transmission, that's their advice. They aren't going suddenly to say "OK folks, we don't have to minimise transmission any more". Surely, as guidance, it is up to the businesses to take that into account while developing their business models, and incorporate what is appropriate for them... It just all seems a bit nannying and unconvincing to say "we'll tell you when we don't need you to follow our non statutory guidance any more".

Also, not 100% impressed that the guidance refers to specialist sector guidance that hasn't been changed yet, so still refers to 1m distancing (and 2m in some cases) and other distancing/ capacity limiting rules. I'm just worrying that government funded/ council services will just stick with the "old" stuff to be on the safe side, so once again users of those services will be disadvantaged compared to users of private businesses.

latissimusdorsi · 06/08/2021 20:08

I'm just worrying that government funded/ council services will just stick with the "old" stuff to be on the safe side, so once again users of those services will be disadvantaged compared to users of private businesses.

I think this too
Businesses that rely on number of customers through the door for their income will ignore the guidance
Organisations that get funded whatever such as council gyms/swimming pools etc will continue with restricted numbers

ElephantOfRisk · 06/08/2021 20:37

It does seem that the SG cannot indeed organise a piss up.....

What hope do we have that they can run a country any better than the shit job so far?

imstilljenny2 · 06/08/2021 21:32

@ResilienceWanker do you think this means under 12s won't need to wear masks in shops and general public transport too? I've tried to find this online but no luck.

tiredoftiers · 06/08/2021 21:37

@ResilienceWanker so pleased if this is correct.

GoldenOmber · 06/08/2021 22:35

[quote imstilljenny2]@ResilienceWanker do you think this means under 12s won't need to wear masks in shops and general public transport too? I've tried to find this online but no luck. [/quote]
Yes! I am so pleased about this one, I can almost forgive them the total hash they’ve made of the rest of it.

Unless exempt for specific circumstances, the law says you must wear a face covering in most indoor public places including public transport.

The Scottish Government recommends that face coverings should be worn when moving around when it is crowded. This is encouraged for busy outdoor events.

Children under 12 are exempt from any requirement to wear face coverings, but can, of course continue to choose to do so.

imstilljenny2 · 06/08/2021 22:38

@GoldenOmber fantastic!

WouldBeGood · 06/08/2021 22:56

@ElephantOfRisk still a pleasing lack of the faithful defending this rubbish

ElephantOfRisk · 06/08/2021 23:17

Indeed @WouldBeGood Wink

TheGenealogist · 07/08/2021 00:00

They don't mean "under 12s" though. They mean primary schools. No masks in Primary School. Some of the new S1 starting this week will be 12. Others won't be 12 until February next year. All will be expected to wear masks for 6 hours a day in school. We had this situation last year when Queen Nicola declared that 12 year olds couldn't play with their friends, but 11 year olds could. DS was 12, his friend was 11. Friend said he was playing with DS, but DS wasn't playing with him. Grin

forfucksakenett · 07/08/2021 07:23

@TheGenealogist cut offs are always arbitrary to an extent. There were plenty of kids not wearing masks in high schools due to parental request. If you don't want your kid to wear a mask then don't make them and just phone the school.

Scottishskifun · 07/08/2021 07:26

@forfucksakenett

BREAKING: Figures from Public Health England say 55% of people hospitalised with the delta variant were unvaccinated, while nearly 35% had received two doses of a vaccine. [sky news]

This doesn't seem great tbh but I suppose that generally hospital numbers are still low.

Not really as its a much lower number in hospital. Whenever you look at stats or percentages you should also look at what the base data numbers are as well to give the full picture. Unfortunately media sells but eye grabbing headlines so often doesn't include this.

The vaccine has also prevented an estimated 52,000 hospital admissions (vaccine minister in the guardian a few weeks back).

WouldBeGood · 07/08/2021 08:07

We need to know:

  1. Who is admitted to hospital because of Covid
  2. Who is admitted to hospital for something else but tests positive
  3. Who gets Covid in hospital.
forfucksakenett · 07/08/2021 08:12

@Scottishskifun if you had read my whole post then you would have seen I did say that.

Scottishskifun · 07/08/2021 08:44

[quote forfucksakenett]@Scottishskifun if you had read my whole post then you would have seen I did say that. [/quote]
I did read it and stated that it's media with an eye grabbing headline which isn't reflective of the who picture 🙄

Scottishskifun · 07/08/2021 08:45

*whole

forfucksakenett · 07/08/2021 09:23

Well you obviously didn't read it very well. Instead launched in with your usual attempts to 'educate'.

I'm well aware that you need to take into account low hospital numbers. Which is why I said that in my post.

TheGenealogist · 07/08/2021 09:39

@WouldBeGood

We need to know:
  1. Who is admitted to hospital because of Covid
  2. Who is admitted to hospital for something else but tests positive
  3. Who gets Covid in hospital.
I have been wondering this for well over a year.

They're not going to tell you because it's not on message with the whole "be terrified, it's out there and it's going to get you" message.

I would also like to know the average stay in hospital for someone admitted BECAUSE OF Covid. We've heard anecdotally that the people being admitted now compared with a year ago are being discharged more quickly. But no figures.

latissimusdorsi · 07/08/2021 09:43

NHS England now gives the figs for those admitted to hospital with Covid as the primary reason
PHE finally made them separate the numbers out to get better idea of vaccine efficiency
Scotland do not do this yet

forfucksakenett · 07/08/2021 09:47

@latissimusdorsi

NHS England now gives the figs for those admitted to hospital with Covid as the primary reason PHE finally made them separate the numbers out to get better idea of vaccine efficiency Scotland do not do this yet
That's interesting. Presumably these numbers would be similar across the UK though and they would be helpful anyway! Were they quite low?
Wakeupin2022 · 07/08/2021 09:58

That's interesting. Presumably these numbers would be similar across the UK though and they would be helpful anyway! Were they quite low?

In Scotland, its Covid and only Covid. Nothing else matters. So can't see how that would benefit anything. Or perhaps it would - it would make it clear that Covid is not the problem it once was, but the neglecting of everything else is now hospitilsing and killing people in much greater numbers?

latissimusdorsi · 07/08/2021 10:00

Sorry I'm rubbish at linking @forfucksakenett but it was on BBC news website 30th July

23% of people in hospital with Covid were admitted for another reason (like a broken leg)
And yes I assume these figs would be similar across the uk

forfucksakenett · 07/08/2021 10:15

Thanks very much @latissimusdorsi ! That's really interesting but not quite as low as people would hope for I think. 77% admitted for covid related reasons is pretty high I suppose. Doesn't take into account age and underlying health conditions though which would also be helpful.

forfucksakenett · 07/08/2021 10:35

Not btw that I'm suggesting age or underlying health conditions mean that it's okay for them to be admitted, more that these groups would be more likely to be admitted due to any viral illness I would guess.

Scottishskifun · 07/08/2021 11:00

@forfucksakenett

Well you obviously didn't read it very well. Instead launched in with your usual attempts to 'educate'.

I'm well aware that you need to take into account low hospital numbers. Which is why I said that in my post.

😂 Someone's grumpy this morning!