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Tieribly angry wee fannies fannying about with the tiers

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dancemom · 29/07/2021 20:31

Things moved quickly so I just started a new one ...

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ElephantOfRisk · 04/08/2021 16:35

So a related but not specifically restrictions question. DS2 who'll be 20 next week ended up going to A&E with heart issues and breathing difficulties about a week after his first covid jag which was about 5 weeks ago. They checked his heart said it was fine, he felt less panicked about it went home and never saw a Dr and was as right as rain the following day. So, should he go ahead and have his 2nd jag when he gets invited or is he a high risk of worse issues? Just wondered if anyone has read anything before I go digging.

GoldenOmber · 04/08/2021 16:37

So if the ‘vertical drinking and dancing without masks is allowed’ is right, then I would need to wear a mask to sing at church and to take communion, but I would not need a mask to go out and get plastered at Clatty Pat’s.

Hmm
TheGenealogist · 04/08/2021 17:20

No, I don't believe she's favouring Glasgow, @Haudyourwheesht. I believe she is favouring every other industry sector such as live music and events over children's education.

Rae36 · 04/08/2021 17:21

So if the ‘vertical drinking and dancing without masks is allowed’ is right, then I would need to wear a mask to sing at church and to take communion, but I would not need a mask to go out and get plastered at Clatty Pat’s

This pisses me off too. We usually have tea and coffee after our church service, maybe we should have it during the service then we could keep our masks off.

ResilienceWanker · 04/08/2021 17:54

On the after church coffee, I'm hoping that will now be allowed as normal. It is currently allowed as long as it follows the hospitality rules (seated with "table service" - so someone with a mask bringing it to you). Assuming the hospitality thing stays, it will be allowed to "order at the bar" (go up to the dodgy trestle table to order/ collect the drink) and "vertically drink" (so stand around drinking your nasty coffee and chatting to others around you). If they don't close that loophole, obviously.

It would be really, really nice to be able to sing without masks. Last time I went we weren't allowed to sing at all (even though we had to sit 2m from others), but the choir were. That may have changed in tier zero, in that congregational singing is now allowed with masks, though to be honest I found the whole thing so depressing I haven't been back over the summer hols when there's not even a choir. Communion in both kinds would be lovely too, but I'm not sure that will happen for a while, given the enthusiasm there still is for distancing, sanitising and masks in my church Sad. It's just not really the kind of place I want to be reminded that I'm basically nothing but a potential spreader of disease.

Scottishskifun · 04/08/2021 17:55

@elephantofrisk its worth him booking a GP appointment or calling the vaccination line and getting put through to the clinical team. Is it Grampian where he will have his second one?

ElephantOfRisk · 04/08/2021 17:58

[quote Scottishskifun]@elephantofrisk its worth him booking a GP appointment or calling the vaccination line and getting put through to the clinical team. Is it Grampian where he will have his second one?[/quote]
Yes, it's Aberdeen city/grampian, I'll pass that on, I don't think it will have entered his head.

GoldenOmber · 04/08/2021 18:08

That may have changed in tier zero, in that congregational singing is now allowed with masks

Yes, congregational singing but with masks. Choir can be unmasked and anyone leading the congregation from the front can be unmasked, all others must do their best to belt out Bread Of Heaven through two layers of Etsy's best Winnie-the-Pooh print fabric mask.

I'm annoyed that one of the Tory MSPs actually asked Nicola 'what has to happen for you to remove the mask requirement' and she didn't even answer except to say that masks weren't really all that much of a bother and people don't mind them so why does it even matter if they're a legal requirement. "Under what conditions will you stop requiring this" is a perfectly reasonable question, given she's told us for ages now that she won't keep measures in place for a moment longer than absolutely necessary.

latissimusdorsi · 04/08/2021 19:25

I getting this vision of Jason in a nightclub
I'll just leave that thereConfused

ElephantOfRisk · 04/08/2021 19:34

So, if it's alright to do all that unmasked in a nightclub, why are we still masking up for all the walking to tables in restaurants etc etc etc.

Freedom of choice?

Sick to the back teeth of this shite and nonsensical bollocks.

Honestly if I ever encounter any of this crew in real life i'll not be holding back and i'll be crowdfunding for my lawyer when I get done on whatever hate crime the manage to pin it on.

See the troll (Alyn Smith's ex boyfriend?) that threatened Cherry got some community service and a ban from contacting her for 5 months.

hilbil21 · 04/08/2021 19:40

I would be mortified to be one of them most of the time, but I get the feeling they don't care how they look.

titsintiers · 04/08/2021 19:51

Because the lemmings will vote for them regardless.

Honestly what a load of horseshit

GoldenOmber · 04/08/2021 20:23

The ‘vertical drinking’ thing is hilarious in its way though. And just when I thought nothing could replace telling nursery staff to thoroughly clean mud kitchens in the Daft Covid Micromanagement hall of fame.

ssd · 04/08/2021 21:16

My dcs will be delighted at the nightclubs getting back to normal

Scottishskifun · 04/08/2021 21:19

😂 I'm laughing at just how bonkers it all is I mean come on they just look ridiculous now.....
"you have to wear a mask for the foreseeable future indoors" unless you want to go dance next to loads of other sweaty people then do what you like.....!

Even some of the flag wavers must surely be going what???!!! Hang on a minute that makes no sense!

latissimusdorsi · 04/08/2021 21:19

Watching The Nine at moment, prof Finn from JCVI
Sounds like 16 & 17 yr olds only getting one dose

Haudyourwheesht · 04/08/2021 21:22

So what's the point? If 2 doses are required for immunity??

ResilienceWanker · 04/08/2021 21:23

@GoldenOmber

That may have changed in tier zero, in that congregational singing is now allowed with masks

Yes, congregational singing but with masks. Choir can be unmasked and anyone leading the congregation from the front can be unmasked, all others must do their best to belt out Bread Of Heaven through two layers of Etsy's best Winnie-the-Pooh print fabric mask.

I'm annoyed that one of the Tory MSPs actually asked Nicola 'what has to happen for you to remove the mask requirement' and she didn't even answer except to say that masks weren't really all that much of a bother and people don't mind them so why does it even matter if they're a legal requirement. "Under what conditions will you stop requiring this" is a perfectly reasonable question, given she's told us for ages now that she won't keep measures in place for a moment longer than absolutely necessary.

It's the whole arrogance of "oh, no one minds wearing them, so we'll just continue" that annoys me. And even questioning that narrative becomes framed as an uncaring, whining thing to do, not even worthy of response. Angry Regardless of anyone's opinions on masks, that doesn't seem like a very democratic or progressive approach.

It is frustrating that I don't feel like I have any say in something that is quite off-putting to me. So I'm just not going to many places that need them, that I would otherwise like to go to. Which may be fine for NS, who considers us all to be potential disease vectors and would rather we stayed at home and didn't go anywhere anyway (and I obviously don't want to go there very much if I can't even wear a mask to do it...) - but it kind of matters to me. I know some will say "just don't wear them - no one cares" but if it is law, I'm just not sure I'm up to refusing and marking myself out, to people I know and like and want to continue a relationship with in the future. I'm not uncaring, or selfish or anything... I just don't think that my mask is preventing me infecting anyone - and I'm not sure that any tiny impact it may have outweighs the discomfort of wearing it, to me.

It actually makes me really sad in that it is substantially limiting my life - and I know that's pathetic... It's just a bit of cloth that I CAN wear, so I'm not exempt. But I find it very unpleasant and I hate being told I have to wear it to do perfectly safe, legal things that would benefit me, and benefit society generally. Blearghhhh.

Scottishskifun · 04/08/2021 21:24

@Haudyourwheesht

So what's the point? If 2 doses are required for immunity??
It does give some protection (about 30-50% for Pfizer) but surely they will have to just repeat it as soon as they hit 18 if they want a vaccination certificate!
ssd · 04/08/2021 21:24

@Scottishskifun

😂 I'm laughing at just how bonkers it all is I mean come on they just look ridiculous now..... "you have to wear a mask for the foreseeable future indoors" unless you want to go dance next to loads of other sweaty people then do what you like.....!

Even some of the flag wavers must surely be going what???!!! Hang on a minute that makes no sense!

I dont think anything has made sense for a long while. I've been following my own rules for a long time.
latissimusdorsi · 04/08/2021 21:26

@Haudyourwheesht

So what's the point? If 2 doses are required for immunity??
He said they're offering 1st dose just now as very rare cardiac problem seems to come from 2nd dose so sounds like they're waiting for more data
ResilienceWanker · 04/08/2021 21:26

@latissimusdorsi

I getting this vision of Jason in a nightclub I'll just leave that thereConfused
Oh, for crying out loud. Did you HAVE to put that picture there?!

I mean, it's obviously the only sensible decision, but it does make a mockery of the rest of it, really. Maybe schools could rebrand as nightclubs.

Scottishskifun · 04/08/2021 21:30

Oh I know @ssd I have too but DH had to stick to them and when out with him and DS or organising stuff for home I do as well 🙄

Think it's telling that he doesn't have the app, doesn't regularly test and he does covid response. He rightly points out he knows what risk points are and how effective each covid measure is in reality.

latissimusdorsi · 04/08/2021 21:33

Sorry Resilience
Just didn't feel I should suffer that aloneSmile

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