Guilt Free Railing 9

[WouldBeGood]

Nine!!!

Sorry @forfucksakenett what I meant was “Nicola, our kind and caring leader, thank you for keeping us safe! You’re brilliant!!”

@Lockdownbear I wasn't great in school either but once I found my niche I loved it so worked my socks off and was lucky enough to develop it into my career!

A BSc hons is a fantastic and it's the equivalent if not more of a full time job at uni! I get really annoyed at the perception that uni students don't do anything or work hard even now and it's been a long time since I was a student!

I'd rather home school my children than be responsible for running the country, no contest.

@WouldBeGood

Sorry *@forfucksakenett* what I meant was “Nicola, our kind and caring leader, thank you for keeping us safe! You’re brilliant!!”

Sure, because you must, by the laws of Scotnset, hold only one extreme view or another. It's really sad actually that you feel the need to simplify it so much.

It's perfectly feasible to disagree with what she says and thinks without making it to do with the fact that she is childless and therefore somehow 'less than.'

@Ladylunchalot

I'd rather home school my children than be responsible for running the country, no contest.

Absolutely.

@Ladylunchalot

I'd rather home school my children than be responsible for running the country, no contest.

I would quite happily be a mouthpiece for "the science" than homeschool my autistic child again.... yes

@ElephantOfRisk

How long do we need to carry on as if covid is the only game in town? I really get how people are scared and if I had a vulnerable child or relative, I'm sure I'd want to do everything possible to protect them. It's not that simple though, by choosing to protect one group you are are the same time causing many harms to other groups. There needs to be a balance here and some proper information on what is happening outwith covid to ensure that people are being treated for other conditions, that screening for illnesses gets back up to speed, that the economy gets some priority because frankly, if there isn't money for services, then the vulnerable are still going to be at the back of the queue.

I'm just railing and fed up that everything except covid is just ignored and also fed up that this far down the line we still aren't measuring and collecting proper data and it's still being used to frighten and manipulate people.

Completely agree with what you have written. There are more things than covid that do harm both physically and mentally. We need to make our own decisions again

@Ladylunchalot

I'd rather home school my children than be responsible for running the country, no contest.

I'd also happily run the country, than home school, And work, And childmind.

The school I went too 3 into 1 doesn't go!

I'm just railing and fed up that everything except covid is just ignored and also fed up that this far down the line we still aren't measuring and collecting proper data and it's still being used to frighten and manipulate people.

Definitely this - the people who died "with covid" and not "because of covid" is the biggie.

According to the travelling tabby site my local council area (east dunbartonshire) has the highest proportion of vaccinated adults in Scotland - 75.9% with both doses, 96.9% with a first dose. People locally have played Queen Nicola's "get vaccinated" game the best in the whole country. Yet all along we've been lumped in with manky Glasgow.

Anyway, I'm not doing it any longer in terms of social distance and I don't know (or care) what the current limits are about numbers of households inside or out.

However, my kids are due back in school in 3 and weeks. Just as with last year, they're fannying around and keeping teachers, parents and pupils in the dark about their plans.

I don't feel it should be relevant if someone has DC or not, particularly if only mentioning childless women.

I am deeply concerned about what's happening next term though. Here we are almost at the end of July and no indication that self isolation for contacts is going or being reduced or any idea about what's going to replace exams, because getting rid of the examing board - even if they were a bit of an omnishambles - is such a smart thing to do mid pandemic when government has lots of other important things to do.

I can't see anyway that at least the Autumn term won't be disastrous unless they make it that only those with positive tests isolate and the rest do testing every day. But now we're running out of lateral flow tests apparently.

It does seem ironic that all the hard work on vaccines seems merely to have made covid a disease that attacks the young now with new mutations.

@TheGenealogist

But it's the fake " I know how hard this is" that she's been spouting all through. No you don't queen Nicola because you have not been dealing with homeschooling and stressed teens over exams (which weren't exams). You've been carrying on exactly as normal, daily trips along the M8 to work, seeing your friends and colleagues every day. Not wearing masks.

The whole "I know what it's like" is just bollocks

By that logic anyone who has continued to go to work throughout the pandemic hasn't had a tough time of it.

Also, if we could address the pretty rank misogyny on these threads for a minute.

The government's Covid advisory group is made up of around 20 people from various backgrounds. The chair is male, as is the vice chair. There are half a dozen women in the group, so they're in the minority.

Tell me again how Devi became painted as some sort of childless shrew who has NS' ear and convinces her that kids don't matter, only Covid.

https://www.gov.scot/groups/scottish-government-covid-19-advisory-group/

I accept people can find different things hard, which is dependent on their own experiences and what they are being asked to do at the moment. I have no idea what it is like to run a country during a pandemic. (it's pretty niche, tbh. Maybe NS and BoJo are in a WattsApp support group... "aaaaargh... my advisers are doin' ma heid in"). I can imagine it's hard, but I would find it a bit rude to tell her "I know exactly how you feel, it is truly awful". So people who are having to homeschool, or not have medical treatment, or not be able to visit loved ones in hospital or whatever are perfectly entitled to feel that actually, no, she doesn't know what it's like.

It's understandable if it's Mary down the road saying these things to be polite, and to show a bit of empathy, but for the FM to say it is a bit galling. It implies that she's already taken on board how bad things are for everyone, and it's fine, and if she can cope you can, so you don't need any more help...so just stop whinging and get on with it...

Devi certainly has the ear of NS. And is very keen to vaccinate children.

It’s not misogynistic to muse that childless people might not understand the depth of love and concern one has for one’s children. Of course this isn’t the case for everyone, but my point was that they do not come across as empathetic people, able to put themselves in another’s shoes.

Anyway, I really hope they tell us what’s happening with schools soon. As I’ve said before, reputable paediatricians are calling on governments to stop isolating children.

I didn’t know LFTs were short though.. that could end up a good thing as it might mean the end of all this testing. Hospitals are getting short staffed cos of it all too.

Have they given any indication on what’s happening with exams? Is the board scrapped as of now? Must be a worry for those of you teachers, or with dcs affected.

So you'd rather be led by someone who doesn't feel and doesn't attempt to fake empathy for the situation their citizens are in.

Gotcha.

Guess that's why we ended up with a leader like Johnson then. Guess that's why we routinely vote for Old Etonians who literally cannot imagine and simply do not remotely care or give any though to what it's like to live our lives with no meaning or control and with nowhere left to go.

Just adding some Pulp lyrics there for funsies

@ElephantOfRisk it's so true there needs to be a balance. So many other things are being forgotten or ignored.
People losing confidence to go out. We are hardly a fit nation but fitness levels have to be dropping. Young people starting out in their careers missing the ability to casually chat to new colleagues, zoom & teams just isn't the same.
Schools were open for keyworker & at risk kids but few at risk were turning up. Poor kids, they are probably the ones whos parents were least likely to push schooling too. Kids not being able to do normal activities - my sons Scout group haven't operated since last March due to the multiple hoops and lack of outdoor space.

I dread to see the suicide and drug figures for 2020 and 2021.

Why is it always a black and white comparison between SNP and Tories? There are so many shades of grey in between.

It really rubs my rhubarb when people assume I'm pro Tory because I'm not an SNP fan. People should stop being so bloody pedestrian.

@WouldBeGood bless your heart with your Pollyannaish optimism.
You genuinely think a shortage of LFT will result in SG reducing isolations ? Pah it's a perfect excuse to keep them going to keep us safe you see.
( I'm trying to be sarcastic btw not spoiling for a fight enough of those brewing already)

I don't really care much about the "I care" nonsense, it's the reframing I can't stand so protection levels rather than restrictions.

🤣 @rookiemere fair enough

I think a lot of people are worried about going out, more so than before. Not just old people. Scared of being told to isolate, and the rules stopping things being fun. Local hospitality keeps pleading for custom, as does the gym.

Lockdownbear - Morgan Stanley have already written to companies who provide outside counsel for them, telling them that they expect them to be back in offices if their relationships are to continue - one of the reasons is training of young staff relies on that interaction with, and listening to more experience staff.

@titsintiers

Why is it always a black and white comparison between SNP and Tories? There are so many shades of grey in between.

It really rubs my rhubarb when people assume I'm pro Tory because I'm not an SNP fan. People should stop being so bloody pedestrian.

Ah because it's a look over there tactic!

Any critism of the high on a plinth SNP "fighting for good for all Scots 🙄" or pointing out any failings they have had, of which there are many, is always with yes but Boris or the Tories......

Agree its pretty boring!

[quote IncludeWomenInThePrequel]Also, if we could address the pretty rank misogyny on these threads for a minute.

The government's Covid advisory group is made up of around 20 people from various backgrounds. The chair is male, as is the vice chair. There are half a dozen women in the group, so they're in the minority.

Tell me again how Devi became painted as some sort of childless shrew who has NS' ear and convinces her that kids don't matter, only Covid.

[[https://www.gov.scot/groups/scottish-government-covid-19-advisory-group/]][/quote]
Quite. It's daily. I'm sure many would argue that their comments aren't intended to be misogynistic but the language used is clearly that.

I've said it before but I find the comments on childless women really upsetting.

The whole SNP versus Tory thing:

1. That's not at all what @IncludeWomenInThePrequel said if that's who this comment was directed at (I can't see anyone else recently mention anything Tory related apart from her).
2. It's a fair enough comparison to make. The Tories are in power south of the border and its natural to compare yourself with those closest to you.
3. They are the main opposition in Holyrood. Labour are useless and so surely people can understand why people might look to them as our 'alternative' government.

@titsintiers

Why is it always a black and white comparison between SNP and Tories? There are so many shades of grey in between.

It really rubs my rhubarb when people assume I'm pro Tory because I'm not an SNP fan. People should stop being so bloody pedestrian.

And it does the same to me, people reply to my comments with 'dear leader' bollocks and I'm not an SNP supporter either.

Surely you can see why I'd make a comparison between the Scottish and English leaders though. Being the nearest person to compare her to. As well as an outstanding example of a leader without empathy.