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ResilienceWanker · 21/07/2021 09:26

@IncludeWomenInThePrequel

So you'd rather be led by someone who doesn't feel and doesn't attempt to fake empathy for the situation their citizens are in.

Gotcha.

Guess that's why we ended up with a leader like Johnson then. Guess that's why we routinely vote for Old Etonians who literally cannot imagine and simply do not remotely care or give any though to what it's like to live our lives with no meaning or control and with nowhere left to go.

Just adding some Pulp lyrics there for funsies

Empathy is good. Appropriating and minimising people's lived experiences less so (maybe that's the same thing as fake empathy, I'm not sure). You may not feel she's doing that, and I'm sure she doesn't mean to, but that is how it comes across to lots of people. BoJo is guilty of it too, of course.

IncludeWomenInThePrequel · 21/07/2021 09:29

I guess it does come across that way to some - I don't think it's fake, as much as it's become part of the way her speeches are written, so that they always include some note of empathy. It has probably started to sound a bit rote, but I don't think that means it's fake, just routine.

ResilienceWanker · 21/07/2021 09:36

@Tomorrowisanewday

Lockdownbear - Morgan Stanley have already written to companies who provide outside counsel for them, telling them that they expect them to be back in offices if their relationships are to continue - one of the reasons is training of young staff relies on that interaction with, and listening to more experience staff.

I totally agree with the "training" aspect. There is so much more to "office work" than sitting at your computer, and phoning or zooming your manager or colleagues if you need to ask them something. It must be a nightmare trying to learn a job (or even do a job you've been doing for ages, but with unfamiliar processes or a different team) if you can't just quickly ask a neighbour "oh, how do I do x", or "what's the process for y again" or "did Dave say when he was going to be back?" and so on. Having to schedule time for a call, and then go through your questions, which has meant you haven't been able to do anything for the past hour must be frustrating for everyone.

ResilienceWanker · 21/07/2021 09:47

@IncludeWomenInThePrequel

I guess it does come across that way to some - I don't think it's fake, as much as it's become part of the way her speeches are written, so that they always include some note of empathy. It has probably started to sound a bit rote, but I don't think that means it's fake, just routine.

Yes, that's a fair point. I almost certainly wouldn't be annoyed if she said something like that face to face to me over an actual issue I was having. So I suppose it is partly the nature of her briefings/ parliamentary updates that gets to me.

rookiemere · 21/07/2021 09:48

I'd happily go back to the office- I went in a few weeks ago and it was a fantastic boost to my well being- however I'm not going to do it when there's such a high risk of being identified as a contact and having to isolate for 10 days. Same for going out even if I do give fake details.

rookiemere · 21/07/2021 09:50

On the politicians briefing point, I'd rather all of them just kept it factual like say Chris Witty does when talking.

I find the political spin galling when I just need to know what I'm allowed to do.

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WouldBeGood · 21/07/2021 09:51

You need to come across as authentic truly to display empathy, and I think that’s where she falls down.

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WouldBeGood · 21/07/2021 09:52

@rookiemere

I'd happily go back to the office- I went in a few weeks ago and it was a fantastic boost to my well being- however I'm not going to do it when there's such a high risk of being identified as a contact and having to isolate for 10 days. Same for going out even if I do give fake details.

@rookiemere I am feeling much the same. I was so looking forward to ‘real life’ work, now not keen, ditto going out.

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IncludeWomenInThePrequel · 21/07/2021 09:59

But imagine the outcry @rookiemere if any leader stood up and said 'Today there have been 863 deaths. Right, any questions?' It would sound inhuman.

I do quite like going to the office a few days a week, but it's been a month since I've been there! My daughter was isolating so I stayed away, then there was a big Covid outbreak so I stayed away, now my son is isolating so I'm staying away.

Cases really are too high for a lot of the 'normality' that's allegedly being restored.

latissimusdorsi · 21/07/2021 10:03

@rookiemere

On the politicians briefing point, I'd rather all of them just kept it factual like say Chris Witty does when talking.

I find the political spin galling when I just need to know what I'm allowed to do.

Just stick to @dancemom
That's what I do

Lockdownbear · 21/07/2021 10:08

@Tomorrowisanewday

Lockdownbear - Morgan Stanley have already written to companies who provide outside counsel for them, telling them that they expect them to be back in offices if their relationships are to continue - one of the reasons is training of young staff relies on that interaction with, and listening to more experience staff.

Good to hear someone is taking it seriously. It really hit home to me one day when I was speaking with a graduate who confessed he was sitting on his bed, more comfy than his chair. I mean WTF that's where you do homework, not your actual job. Really it can't be right.

Lockdownbear · 21/07/2021 10:14

@rookiemere

I'd happily go back to the office- I went in a few weeks ago and it was a fantastic boost to my well being- however I'm not going to do it when there's such a high risk of being identified as a contact and having to isolate for 10 days. Same for going out even if I do give fake details.

I'm out at work the odd day keeping my distance. But ditto re-details, cafes must have reams of dodgy phone numbers. Or people taking photos of QR codes. DH thought I'd forgotten my own phone number

Tomorrowisanewday · 21/07/2021 10:18

Colleague of mine works for one of the "big 4" accountants, and he reckons his second year trainees are 6-8 months behind where they should be. They're all very bright graduates (they wouldn't get taken on there if they weren't), but he thinks it's wholly down to the fact they've been WFH for most of their career, and don't have the normal experience of even hearing one side of telephone conversations.

Lockdownbear · 21/07/2021 10:25

I could truly believe that. Babies, children and young adults are missing out on so many life experiences. The full effects will not be known for years.

Scottishskifun · 21/07/2021 10:33

@Lockdownbear

I could truly believe that. Babies, children and young adults are missing out on so many life experiences. The full effects will not be known for years.

My HV said at the last assessment for DS that they are seeing real problems developmentally with toddlers and many are very far behind with a increase in speech and language referrals. They had such limited interactions and for many still do as parents are terrified!

We are lucky that DS counted as a key worker slot for most of the time from June last year and I have zero regrets in sending him in!

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 21/07/2021 10:46

@Scottishskifun we did the same and used key worker provision in the second lockdown, so our youngest was in nursery all the way from last July (or whenever nurseries opened again). Lots of people did the same as they didn't believe the 'just till Jan 18th' chat when lockdown was announced (and quite rightly it turned out!). I'm so glad we did as it's so important for development, and for exposure to bugs quite honestly. It's so sad to hear about lockdown babies who don't know how to interact with people properly and/or have speech delays because of masks or people dodging each other. And in the US there's talk of putting masks on toddlers now! Children really have been the forgotten group in all this.

Groovee · 21/07/2021 11:03

I work in early years and we believe the next 2-3 years we'll really need to focus on well being for children who are struggling due to Covid. I think separation anxiety from parents and children will be higher than we've ever experienced. Lots of babies haven't had much time with others at all. It's all new to them.

IncludeWomenInThePrequel · 21/07/2021 11:15

I do think there's going to have to be a big focus on wellbeing and resilience. My teacher friends did say that when schools first went back kids were really struggling with even small playground squabbles as they'd lost their resilience and ability to cope with the rough and tumble of being with other kids.

Lockdownbear · 21/07/2021 12:16

Yip kids have forgotten how to be kids. After the first lockdown DS was happy to get back out and play. The second one with dark nights etc it's been a real fight to get him away from the Xbox.
Last night he went to get his pal and came back and said the pal was on xbox could he have xbox time.

ResilienceWanker · 21/07/2021 12:29

@IncludeWomenInThePrequel

I do think there's going to have to be a big focus on wellbeing and resilience. My teacher friends did say that when schools first went back kids were really struggling with even small playground squabbles as they'd lost their resilience and ability to cope with the rough and tumble of being with other kids.

I think that will come with them just being allowed to be "normal" though. It's not a failing in them that needs to be "fixed" by extra lessons and "focus on resilience" (beyond normal coping strategies for play and friendship and so on which would be useful pre pandemic). It's really unrealistic to suggest they should be able to cope with resuming normal social interactions immediately after 18 months of being kept away from others and their parents telling them not to get too close to other people... Even as adults we may find it weird going back to normal socialising straight away, and I definitely don't want to be told I just need to be more resilient!

What I think we CAN'T do is keep isolating classes on a whim, and cancelling exams, and continuous testing (lft and non exams!) and worrying about getting pinged outside of school - and think that can all be accepted by the children if they were just a bit more resilient, so we need to train that into them.

Lockdownbear · 21/07/2021 12:45

What I think we CAN'T do is keep isolating classes on a whim, and cancelling exams, and continuous testing (lft and non exams!) and worrying about getting pinged outside of school - and think that can all be accepted by the children if they were just a bit more resilient, so we need to train that into them.

Yes we need to change how we go forward. England have said how they'll deal with the GCSEs next year, any word from SQA who are in effect a month closer to the exams.

We can't keep asking kids to self isolate. Let's just remember what that actually means, sit in their bedroom for 10 days with food getting left at the door. No social interaction with anyone, no parents, no friends, 10 days solitary confinement.

I still away the day NS gets told she needs to Self-Isolate. I don't want anyone to be ill just her to be in close enough contact for her to have to lock herself away for 10 whole days. And to really understand what it means.

IncludeWomenInThePrequel · 21/07/2021 13:02

I would never have thought anyone would take 'self-isolate' that literally until my son's friend was here crying because he missed his wee brother. Who is 7, and alone in his room for 10 days.

That's fucking madness, I'd rather get Covid than have my kids sit alone in a room for over a week. My youngest in particular wouldn't last more than five minutes.

Scottishskifun · 21/07/2021 13:07

@IncludeWomenInThePrequel

I would never have thought anyone would take 'self-isolate' that literally until my son's friend was here crying because he missed his wee brother. Who is 7, and alone in his room for 10 days.

That's fucking madness, I'd rather get Covid than have my kids sit alone in a room for over a week. My youngest in particular wouldn't last more than five minutes.

It's what test and trace (or whatever the Scottish one is called) say to do. Otherwise the entire household need to isolate including parents not going out to work

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 21/07/2021 13:11

@IncludeWomenInThePrequel I completely agree. When DS's bubble burst the advice home from school was that he should isolate in his room for 10 days (or actually 8 at that point). They can fuck right off with that bollocks. I'm not psychologically torturing my child (who wasn't even ill I might add, not that it would have mattered to me) to combat spread of a virus that isn't likely to harm us anyway. We kept him in the house but otherwise carried on as normal. It makes me wonder who comes up with this, but I don't think 'wellbeing of the child' even made it on to the list of considerations.

IncludeWomenInThePrequel · 21/07/2021 13:13

My son spends no time in his room whatsoever, he just absolutely couldn't sit in it for over a week.

Instead, he set up football training equipment and spent the time practising his skills etc. And he was outside, so the risk to us would actually have been smaller. Not that I gave any thought to the risk to us, nor would I be likely to even if he developed Covid.