Tiering up the Covid elimination strategy

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Sadly the end was not as close as we thought so new thread required ....

[quote latissimusdorsi]@Scottishskifun the scientists are saying we need to learn to live with this but I wish they would start giving some details on what that might look like!
Booster doses and face masks every winter? Setting up Covid hospitals (like the old TB hospitals)? Testing to get into big events over 100 people? Moving the academic year for students so the bulk of their Uni terms is not through winter months?
Either they have plenty of ideas already and don't want to share this information or else haven't got a bloody clue what the future looks like[/quote]
Yep some meat on the bones would help!

They are already trialing boosters to see. As for masks they were still saying its sensible to wear them going forward (in England) but that it will not be a legal requirement once restrictions end. That gives people the option.

Testing for large scale events has been trialing for a few months now over the border. Its just Glasgow fan zone where apparently its prejudice to insist on it...... 🙄

It's easy to see why people struggle with the two approaches. Yesterday Boris said we have to learn to live with this forever and people seemed to appreciate that, and today people are kicking up shit because NS said something inconclusive about what comes after Level 0.

They're saying the same thing!

@Scottishskifun, with absolute due respect as I understand you’ve had a hellish time but I’d ask for the same respect back. Please don’t to patronise me with the impact on mental health, a person can agree with the basis of the restrictions and still be having an absolute awful time in their own life.

My personal view is that Boris backtracks, lies and has ignored his scientific advisors with devastating effects. For that reason I wouldn’t believe the dates he is now advertising or that it will be possible to remove any and all Covid related restrictions at that time. As I said before, I sincerely hope I’m wrong and that we really are nearing the end.

@florafoxtrot no where did I say that it didn't.
Many people (myself included) would like to see transparency in SG decision making as currently the only people who know how it's working is an inner circle within the SG.

It's certainly not using their own threshold system published in Feb and March and that uncertainty and unknown does have a big impact on people.

I hope that Borris does stick to it mainly because it will put pressure on NS. But the point I make is that the tests have been clear for months in England which for friends there does lead to a sense of working towards the end goal.
Up here I haven't a clue what the goal is or even what the bloody game is as its currently not clear.

@SoMuchForSummerLove

It's easy to see why people struggle with the two approaches. Yesterday Boris said we have to learn to live with this forever and people seemed to appreciate that, and today people are kicking up shit because NS said something inconclusive about what comes after Level 0.

They're saying the same thing!

I think because Boris has at least been a lot more explicit that the end-game is booting out all the restrictions, whereas NS has been a lot more cautious with language like “something closer to normal” and “much greater degree of normality.”

I think the end goal is probably the same for both, realistically, but I can absolutely see why people don’t feel as positive about what she’s saying.

The illogicality of the whole thing with schools gets to me: no leavers' events, even out of doors; yet a football fan zone is allowed.

Fucking football. If I wanted to set up a field for 3000 opera fans, all policed and following the same rules, I bet the answer would be no.

And why one fan zone? Why not smaller ones to discourage travel?

I just noticed on Twitter that Israel has now removed the requirement to wear masks, the last remaining Covid restriction. I hope we get there soon.

So has Denmark and lots of the US

I'm behind on the news again then. Can't keep up.

@Cismyfatarse

The illogicality of the whole thing with schools gets to me: no leavers' events, even out of doors; yet a football fan zone is allowed.

Fucking football. If I wanted to set up a field for 3000 opera fans, all policed and following the same rules, I bet the answer would be no.

And why one fan zone? Why not smaller ones to discourage travel?

I wondered that too! Surely there could have been one in each of the cities at least.

oh please god, let BJ and NS drop the mask use.

I'm deaf, its a fucking nightmare to understand anyone

The telegraph is reporting this morning that the JCVI is set to recommend that children not routinely be offered the COVID vaccine at this time on the basis that the disease rarely does them harm and they want more data on the risks.

"Prof Anthony Harden told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "We do have to be absolutely sure these vaccines are completely safe. The MHRA said they are safe in trials, but of course that's very different to immunising millions of children.

We'll be looking very carefully at the data emerging from the States and other countries on vaccines in children before making any assumptions, but we're not there yet with children.""

I have to say I think it's the right decision.

@jabbathebutt yes, I think if they dropped the masks it would be the thing that would really cheer me up! It’s bloody impossible to hear, even if not deaf. Though I am old.

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us that’s excellent news and makes sense.

I agree. I think vaccination of adults across the world should be the priority.

not happy about the no kids vaccination thing. I want DD vaccinated as it means back to normality, no time off school, no masks in school etc

Apparently Devi’s erroneous claims about the safety of the vaccine for children on Newsround has been edited as it was misleading.

That should happen anyway @itsjustlowhangingfruit as adults are double vaxxed.

And I agree vulnerable adults worldwide need the vaccines.

What's Devi said now?

She went on to persuade kids to get the vaccine, saying stuff like it’s “100%” safe; just her usual rubbish.

I didn't see the Newsround piece but I did find this complaining about it. If this is indeed how she presented the issues (implying that children are at risk from COVID, and that the vaccines are risk free) I agree that it amounts to propaganda and undermines informed consent. I'm hearing a few medics start to express concern about the myocarditis issue too - I'm sure it's very rare but so are bad reactions to COVID in this group so it could well be that the risks end up en par or greater for the vaccine in this group. It will be interesting to see if this is part of the JCVI's thinking when their interim report comes out. I think people need to be aware that the risk/benefit ratio for vaccination differs massively across the age groups and make informed decisions accordingly.

Quite, @Y0uCann0tBeSer10us

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us

The telegraph is reporting this morning that the JCVI is set to recommend that children not routinely be offered the COVID vaccine at this time on the basis that the disease rarely does them harm and they want more data on the risks.

"Prof Anthony Harden told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "We do have to be absolutely sure these vaccines are completely safe. The MHRA said they are safe in trials, but of course that's very different to immunising millions of children.

We'll be looking very carefully at the data emerging from the States and other countries on vaccines in children before making any assumptions, but we're not there yet with children.""

I have to say I think it's the right decision.

I also think this is the right decision at the moment. Anyone else think the way they're currently letting it rip through primary schools is part of the strategy for children getting immunity

I don't know, what's the option though? Close the schools? There's plenty people on here who think kids shouldn't isolate at all, never mind any further measures.

I don't know what the options would be but I bet they're considering a range of scenarios for children. Particularity as the new variants spread amongst kids

Well, all the variants spread amongst kids, it's just more obvious now that older age groups are vaccinated.

Schools close next week anyway so there will be no time or need for any other procedure to be put into place.

But kids only have to isolate to protect adults and once adults vaccinated no need for the isolations and closures.