Tiering up the Covid elimination strategy

[dancemom]

Sadly the end was not as close as we thought so new thread required ....

Scotland isn't behind.

It's like when DS was a wee one, he had really bad breathing / post viral wheeze a few times as a toddler. We'd see the GP, they'd send us off to Yorkhill, we'd be seen in A&E and "admitted" onto a short stay ward, one dose of steroids a bit of oxygen, SATS greatly improved after 2 hours, off you pop home.

But that counts as an admission.

Hot @titsintiers- in the sweaty sense 😂

And panic stricken

Again I don't get the skirting around!!!!

NS says nobody moving down today and very likely nobody moving down next week but "need to go through the proper processes....." I call bull shhhhhhh!

This for me is the big difference the clear language between BJ and NS announcements! Just wish NS would stop skirting around stuff and be upfront so that it gets rid of the uncertainty. Just say we are delaying it til end of July!

It's that which is causing so much mental health worries the feeling of uncertainty/unknown of what's next etc etc.

It's not just that @Scottishskifun. You're a soft play owner - do you prepare for opening again next week or not? De-furlough your staff, order in loads of food? Or not? Should hotels be putting plans in place for hosting weddings?

It just shows a complete lack of understanding for the very practical challenges faced by business owners in the real world. They either risk buying loads of stuff which will potentially go to waste, or risk losing out on trade because they haven't got the staff and provisions they need to open up.

Truly think I must be in an alternate universe. Did Boris not prove less than 24 hours ago that putting fixed dates on things doesn't actually work?

Doris said 21 June would be the earliest possible lifting of restrictions to be fair to him. Not that he's fair to anybody.

Although, school holidays in England are later, so they'll feel less of an impact to restrictions not lifting wrt kid activities

@florafoxtrot

Truly think I must be in an alternate universe. Did Boris not prove less than 24 hours ago that putting fixed dates on things doesn't actually work?

Why yes, I believe he did! But his approach still seems to be favoured, I find it inexplicable tbh.

I think Boris comes across as a bumbling tosser; and NS as a crabbit old school teacher.

Sounds about right, although I think Boris is a bit more 'cynical despicable lying grifter' than bumbling. Bumbling makes him sound quite benign.

@SoMuchForSummerLove

Sounds about right, although I think Boris is a bit more 'cynical despicable lying grifter' than bumbling. Bumbling makes him sound quite benign.

Quite.

I get quite frustrated with the communications of our two leaders. On the one hand you have Boris with clear aims and definitions but presented in a really bumbling way to the point where he seems to be struggling to form a sentence, and really that doesn't inspire confidence. On the other hand you have Nicola who is a great presenter, but what she says is short on substance, she doesn't present full data (just a couple of cherry picked numbers usually) and usually there aren't clear aims or milestones.

For instance I know that on the 19th July (barring pretty exceptional circumstances) England aims to have jagged all adults, double jagged two thirds of over 50s, and will lift all restrictions on social contacts and capacities etc. and all sectors can reopen. By contrast we know that Scotland aims to jag all adults by the end of July, but may or may not go down a level at that point, and there may be a document sometime soon that discusses what 'beyond level 0' looks like but there's no firm aim for when that will be for that either...

See, I don't see Boris as having clear anything really. I believe that he mostly wants to say what he knows he can get away with. If that means standing up in April and saying 'June looks good' then he will. And remarkably, the electorate doesn't seem to hold it against him. He kicks the can down the road just as much as NS, but he seems to favour fake clarity, over shared uncertainty.

@florafoxtrot

Truly think I must be in an alternate universe. Did Boris not prove less than 24 hours ago that putting fixed dates on things doesn't actually work?

He delayed til the 19th of July but scientists stood and said we need to learn to live with this it's not going away. I prefer that sort of up front approach yes. They always said at the earliest and 4 tests well it failed a test. But it's clear on how it's applied and what is looked at. We get graphs, modelling data etc etc

NS today said dunno but will outline some stuff towards the end of summer, we are looking into reports etc etc. There is zero information on what they are examining, it can't be numbers anymore. There is no transparency and no indication on what has to be achieved.
There were 6000 cases in a few weeks and currently 137 in hospital. That tells you that it's not causing serious issues.

But the message also shifted today its no longer protect the NHS as that's currently fine but now its stop people getting long covid....... I have long covid you know what would help me the most..... Setting up fecking long covid clinics in Scotland!!!!!

Fed up with no info on what has to be achieved, what Scotland is going to do going forward. This virus us never going anywhere period! So it's about time SG was honest about that and work out how normality is going to be resumed.

I don't disagree with you @Y0uCann0tBeSer10us. The fact that she wasn't able to answer that question was really frustrating. But I also don't trust that Boris can make and stick to his pledge to remove all restrictions either because so far he has consistently back tracked.

@SoMuchForSummerLove o do agree that’s what he like, but the impression given at the Covid things is definitely bumbling dickhead

And I loathe NS’s hectoring tone

Well, the difference today is that NS delivered her speech to parliament, so wasn't in a position to have scientists alongside her. Whereas Boris is in trouble again this week for not delivering his decisions to parliament.

[quote WouldBeGood]@SoMuchForSummerLove o do agree that’s what he like, but the impression given at the Covid things is definitely bumbling dickhead[/quote]
Just what you need in a pandemic eh?!

They’re just awful. But I’m particularly crabbit cos of the hair sweats “cos Covid”

@SoMuchForSummerLove to be fair to Boris (and I really don't like him) they have always said that June 21st was subject to the four tests. I still think that it was right to give the indicative dates though, because then people know that things will change on those dates as long as the four tests are met. We all know what those tests are, and therefore we can all see whether they are going to be met and/or have an open discussion about it, as has been the case with the rise of the Delta variant. I would much rather have a date and a clear set of 'rules' that need to be met than the secretive approach NS uses, where she commits to nothing and presents no data of substance so that no-one can challenge her or it at any point.

Tbh @Scottishskifun there is no point even trying to have a reasonable discussion about this with you. You clearly prefer the bumbling Boris approach and you are well within your right to do so. I sincerely hope he can stand by his 19th of July date - it would bring a lot of people a lot of joy and comfort.

@Scottishskifun the scientists are saying we need to learn to live with this but I wish they would start giving some details on what that might look like!
Booster doses and face masks every winter? Setting up Covid hospitals (like the old TB hospitals)? Testing to get into big events over 100 people? Moving the academic year for students so the bulk of their Uni terms is not through winter months?
Either they have plenty of ideas already and don't want to share this information or else haven't got a bloody clue what the future looks like

@florafoxtrot

Tbh *@Scottishskifun* there is no point even trying to have a reasonable discussion about this with you. You clearly prefer the bumbling Boris approach and you are well within your right to do so. I sincerely hope he can stand by his 19th of July date - it would bring a lot of people a lot of joy and comfort.

I usually hate BJ can't stand him but I do prefer messaging which is realistic but also has been clear in what has to be met in order to return to normal and in terms of life going forward!

15 months in and still having zero info about how to return to normality up here is not only bonkers but it's also really bad for peoples mental health!

We are on a merry go round, so now we are back waiting for the next week to see if areas suffer again and waiting for a report!

In all honesty I just wish for some transparency. As much as BJ is a bubbling idiot his 4 tests are clear and have been for months yet up here we are all in the dark still. That uncertainty is not healthy for people!