Tiering up the Covid elimination strategy

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Sadly the end was not as close as we thought so new thread required ....

If some of this shit doesn't change in the next few weeks I'm not convinced I will go for my 2nd vaccine....

I’m just thinking that @Pootle40. Due my second AZ on Sunday, but seems pointless

And I certainly won't be vaccinating my children

@Pootle40

If some of this shit doesn't change in the next few weeks I'm not convinced I will go for my 2nd vaccine....

I know it's frustrating but trust me recovery from covid is worse frustration wise and the new variant you really do need both doses! It does break the link Scotland is just in a blip as we had lower cases last year so less immunity

I’m not getting DS vaccinated either @Pootle40. He’s 13 and I see no need.

Will need to think very carefully.

To be honest, this whole strategy is backfiring as it loses confidence in the vaccines.

Interesting article on whether we should vaccinate healthy children to protect unvaccinated adults.
thecritic.co.uk/jabs-for-the-boys/

I will be getting my second jab, my 18 year old DS has had his first - his choice, he heard there was excess going spare and wanted to get vaccinated.

My other two younger children - probably won't. They promised us that vaccines were the way out. Despite the high number of new cases, hospitalisations are flat. So what's the panic?

I am so sick of variants and mutations and the rest of the shit. We have to just draw a line at some point and get on with it. I certainly won't be sticking to the rules about not having people in the house again.

@RaspberryCoulis

I will be getting my second jab, my 18 year old DS has had his first - his choice, he heard there was excess going spare and wanted to get vaccinated.

My other two younger children - probably won't. They promised us that vaccines were the way out. Despite the high number of new cases, hospitalisations are flat. So what's the panic?

I am so sick of variants and mutations and the rest of the shit. We have to just draw a line at some point and get on with it. I certainly won't be sticking to the rules about not having people in the house again.

Me neither.

If you look at the ages of people getting Covid now it is the unvaccinated who are testing positive. The rates in vaccinated groups are much lower which means far fewer hospitalisations because it was older people who were more seriously affected. All the evidence is that vaccination is working so I’m baffled to see so many people saying it isn’t. Look at Travelling Tabby for the best presentation of the data.

Also it’s the second vaccination that gives the better immunity - on travelling tabby look at the difference between the graphs for age groups that have almost all had two - flat, and those that have had one - increasing, and those that have had no vaccinations - increasing steeply.

@Chemenger yes.

I’m pissed off about the lack of freedoms, after I’ve been a good little citizen and got jabbed.

Why, oh why are we still living as if there were no vaccines?

A nurse (involved with covid in QEUH) told me that the people in hospital are generally young, and therefore not yet vaccinated.

My point is that they’ve told us vaccines work. The vulnerable are vaccinated. Yet restrictions remain.

It makes no sense.

[quote WouldBeGood]@Chemenger yes.

I’m pissed off about the lack of freedoms, after I’ve been a good little citizen and got jabbed.

Why, oh why are we still living as if there were no vaccines?[/quote]
We are in a lot better position currently than in December. NS would have slammed most areas back into level 4 with the current rates! Even if using their February document and table places should be on lockdown but their not.

I think the difficulty is though the feeling of uncertainty, nobody trusts the SG not to go backwards!

Part of me does see the irony in the whole thing after months of England travel is banned because of rates etc when actually now Scotland is far worse.

I just hope its giving them food for thought their method of control doesn't work!

But the rates/tiers stuff was set out when there was no vaccine.

I’m not grateful for this pish life. We were told vaccine = normality

I think the difficulty is though the feeling of uncertainty, nobody trusts the SG not to go backwards!

This is exactly the problem for me - the complete loss of faith. I don't trust them not to go backwards with restrictions, I don't trust them to make good, consistent decisions based on evidence, I don't trust anything they say because up till now it's all been with a heavy dollop of spin, and frankly I don't trust them not to drag this out as long as possible because once the COVID crisis is 'over' they have vowed to start preparing the case for independence (which I think even NS realises isn't a great idea right now).

I agree with what people are saying. Technically life is better than it was before we can go into folks homes, eat out in restaurants, go to the cinema and even - heaven forfend - make our way across the border for holidays.

But it feels very fragile particularly with covid rates rising across the young and the subsequent 10 days isolation if identified through T &T. Life won't be back to normal until DCs or indeed anyone doesn't have the risk of isolation if testing positive. Or indeed we don't test at all because it's no longer relevant.

I know we're not at that point yet and the indications feel that we're moving in the right direction, but it's hard to live a full life with the background knowledge it could be whisked away with no notice "for our own safety " and equally once we do get to relative normality we'll be plunged straight back into divisive independence discussions.

We're not properly back to normal. Even level 0 isn't "normal" and there are plenty of activities that need us to be in level 0 to be permitted (and therefore insured/authorised by governing bodies, so we can't just ignore guidance.

If I lived in Edinburgh I'd absolutely be heading over the border to do stuff, but it's a bit far for an evening training...

Yes it's the erosion of hope that's gotten me, we've stocked out vaccines, and yet we still aren't anywhere near normal and in fact it looks like we have to now rush vaccines to teens to then what, perhaps then get somewhere?

It's all a bit on the never-never

I wonder of parents will start pulling kids out of school a few days in advance of holidays, as happened at Christmas, to avoid the dreaded t&t.

@rookiemere definitely I don't trust them to not go backwards again! Borris is a bumbling baffoon but he has been very adamant at not going backwards. You don't get the same from SG we get we don't want to but its a virus or we will control it "like measles" which cannot be done!

I am going for full throttle mode of enjoy the summer (as much as I can with long covid recovery!)
I'm not scared of variants as I am the equivalent of double dosed.

I don't think we will get anything like back to normal for a good 18 months. Not until rest of the world has got vaccinated. Which sounds awful to say but me being a pessimist with it also means I'm not disappointed!

@Haudyourwheesht

I wonder of parents will start pulling kids out of school a few days in advance of holidays, as happened at Christmas, to avoid the dreaded t&t.

By complete chance our school finishes Thursday 25th and we are going on holiday Monday 5th July !

Right now if Majorca continues to allow uk in with no test we will be going there and testing and isolating on return.

I don't think it is really as black and white as Boris won't go backwards, but the SG will.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9664157/Coronavirus-Social-distancing-advice-toughened-Greater-Manchester-Lancashire.html

I think this shows that governments are perfectly willing to change the guidance if and when they decide it's required. I don't think anyone in Scotland is still living under the 'meet outdoors' thing are they? Although I'm sure they always advise that it's safer, I don't think it's been put out there as guidance direct from the government to any part of the population. Unless I've missed it (totally possible)

You're lucky @Pootle40 we're meant to be going to Majorca last week of summer holidays- returning on the Saturday when they are back to school on the Monday.

Even if it turns Green I'm not sure I'm prepared to risk T&T from the traveling and it would be a bit of an own goal for DS to miss the first week of S4.

@SoMuchForSummerLove I think the big difference between SG and BG is that BG has effective opposition- mostly from their own party - against ongoing restrictions unless justified. Now I'd question some of the motivation for pushing against ongoing restrictions as seems to be driven by ultra right, but at least there is some push back against it, whereas seems to be a few murmurs but nothing useful in Scotland.