Tiering up the Covid elimination strategy

[dancemom]

Sadly the end was not as close as we thought so new thread required ....

Wow! Well, break a leg, mini @RaspberryCoulis!

(Obviously not literally as don't want more weans in hospital)

fingers crossed he gets it!

First time 'fingers crossed he gets it' has ever been said on a Covid thread

We're not getting his hopes up, it's a wide casting call and we have no idea what they're looking for. If it's a stroppy 12 year old with a wannabe teenager attitude he'll be a shoo in.

He's practising his "ah'm rollin' up ma sleeve" anyway.

Looks like the papers have picked up on Humza he's still not really apologised just said he didn't mean to cause undue alarm......

Wtf did he expect would be the result of his little data twist?!

I'm glad he's been caught out for it though!

It is pleasantly surprising to see them called out for misrepresenting data for a change. Usually the media just lap it up despite them having their knuckles wrapped for this kind of thing more than once. I suspect the difference might be that more credible voices (i.e. the RCPCH) had stepped in to directly contradict the message they were peddling.

I'm starting to wonder though how much of it was blatant manipulation and how much of it was Humza not understanding the data (not realising that the positive cases may be incidental because he doesn't know how the data are collected, or that increased 'cases' are expected in the context of rising community levels and don't necessarily mean more serious illness from COVID). Either way, it's not acceptable for a government minister, and for the SG to just double down on the lie rather than fess up that he 'misspoke' is unforgivable. I still don't think they have said that actually parents shouldn't be worried about it, even now!

Either way, it's not acceptable for a government minister, and for the SG to just double down on the lie rather than fess up that he 'misspoke' is unforgivable.

Exactly, he’s our Health Secretary ffs!

@SoMuchForSummerLove

First time 'fingers crossed he gets it' has ever been said on a Covid thread

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There were 992 positive cases of Covid-19 reported yesterday, representing 3.9% of total number of tests.
That brings the total number of cases to 238,893.
In total 304 cases were in Greater Glasgow and Clyde, 213 in Lothian and 144 in Tayside.
There are 116 people in hospital, which is six more than yesterday.
Of them eight people are in ICU, the same as yesterday.
Two deaths were reported in the past 24 hours, meaning the total number of deaths by that definition is now 7,676.
As of 07:30 this morning 3,326,005 had their first dose of the vaccine, up 20,193 since yesterday.
A further 32,952 had their second dose yesterday - a total of 2,170,570.

Approval of Pfizer/BioNTech vax for children aged 12 to 15 today. I think that confirms what your DC casting is for @RaspberryCoulis

I just feel uncomfortable at the idea of an advert targeting them re vaccine. So many in these age groups with MH issues- let’s hope the adverts won’t be guilt tripping them into having it, despite any worries or fears they may have.
Just my speculation, obviously and hope your dc can get that fee, think of it as tax back if SG are paying the company to produce the ads- what a bonus for your household🤣 I’ve already assumed this to be rolled out sometime soon.

I agree that the noises seem to be towards teenagers being offered the vaccine. The experts who talk about this make clear that it's not so much for their benefit as they're not really at risk in the first place, but it might help get levels low for the rest of us. I doesn't affect us personally as ours would still be too young, but this makes me very uncomfortable as I really don't agree with asking teenagers to take a risk with their health for someone else's benefit (and the risks of the vaccine will outweigh the risks of COVID for this group). I don't think it's ethical anyway, but especially not if coupled with campaigns and extreme public pressure to effectively coerce them into getting it. I'm a little uncomfortable with NS's 'civic duty' chat already as this feels a bit like coercion, but that counts doubly so for children.

It's a tough one I would agree with vaccinating at risk 12-15 year olds but then think they should donate and help out with the global effort elsewhere for adults after that before vaccinating general population teenagers.

Yes, the ethics of vaccinating low/negligible risk teenagers here when there are high risk people dying in other countries is another important consideration. Both for other countries (obviously) but also because the theoretical risk of vaccine escaping variants is our main worry now going forward, and this is more likely if the virus can circulate freely elsewhere. Unfortunately, I'm not sure I see a global vaccination drive ever happening though.

Looking at those numbers I cant see how this pandemic ever ends

I really cant .. there is no end in site even with a vaccination .. I am really fed up now ..

I took the jag as my public duty even though not personally at high risk. Also to be allowed out. They’ve sold me a pup on that one!

I’d need to think long and hard before consenting to a jag for DS.

I’m also now not fooled by the promises of freedom after just one more thing.. old people jagged, all people jagged, kids jagged… they are just not going to free us.

I am not at all anti vax, just to make that clear.

Just need to be sure it’s ok for my child.

Same here, I’m not anti vaccine and of course after my first AZ I was the poorliest I had felt since a bad virus in Dec 2019. I don’t have teenage DC, but happily consent for my under 10yo to have the flu spray every year without a second thought. I just feel incredibly uncomfortable with the messaging that potentially could be- irresponsibly- directed at the pre teen/teens around vaccine. Challenging times ahead.

WHO asking for vaccines to be shared with poor countries rather than vaccination of children at this point.

@WouldBeGood

WHO asking for vaccines to be shared with poor countries rather than vaccination of children at this point.

Agree with this. If only we had a say in the matter🤷‍♀️

Thanks @dancemom
992 cases! Scotland doing very badly here. Looking at UK numbers today our share should be about 500. So double. Crikey
And it's not just because of surge testing as other areas doing that too.
Fingers crossed this is mostly younger unvaccinated and so unlikely to translate into hospital cases. Suppose we'll know next week

Yes Scotland appears to be having it's own little extra wave of cases that isn't really happening elsewhere in the UK to the same extent. Not yet anyway, but I think the English hotspots started going before the Scottish ones? Certainly no later, and it doesn't seem to have taken hold in quite the same way it has here.

But the age groups involved here are still unlikely to be seriously ill so I doubt we'll see loads of deaths from it.

@latissimusdorsi

Thanks *@dancemom* 992 cases! Scotland doing very badly here. Looking at UK numbers today our share should be about 500. So double. Crikey And it's not just because of surge testing as other areas doing that too. Fingers crossed this is mostly younger unvaccinated and so unlikely to translate into hospital cases. Suppose we'll know next week

It's been the pattern that infection is mostly in young adults for some time. That and school kids. It may well play through into 'hospitalisation' numbers but I don't think any evidence of numbers of people being 'hospitalised' due to Covid which isn't shared publicly it seems.

I want my DD vaccinated as soon as possible so that she can be safe, so that she can go without a mask, and so that we can visit family in USA without worry (amber country - fully prepared to isolate when back!)

I have an idea for the next thread title

"tierio tierio tierio"

That chart is reassuring @Pootle40
Still not sure why we're having so many more cases than other areas. Unless as result of cautious approach last year so less people exposed to the virus as discussed on here recently. We're certainly making up for that now

@latissimusdorsi

That chart is reassuring *@Pootle40* Still not sure why we're having so many more cases than other areas. Unless as result of cautious approach last year so less people exposed to the virus as discussed on here recently. We're certainly making up for that now

We are basically catching up with the waves from England. Less immunity in population means it can hit greater numbers and vaccination means that those who haven't had covid (which was higher than that in England) need both doses for full protection compared to high protection after a single dose.

Basically it all adds up to more transmission opportunities and less breaker people.