Nicola Sturgeon

[Iluvfriends]

Is a hypocrite.

Boris will be 'picking a fight with the democratic wishes of the Scottish people' and ' the only people that can decide the future of Scotland are the Scottish people'

Forgive me if i'm being stupid but didn't we already have a vote on independence, how did that go. Oh that's right......not how NS wanted so she ignores the democratic wishes of the Scottish people and pushes for Indy 2.

Laughable how she comes out with this stuff.

And I agree that part of the criticism of QE is that the money goes to rich investors , the wealthy top % ,and trickle down can be limited.

It's still not a method for the government to cover its deficit.

It's a good job that an independent Scotland wouldn't be wasting billions on Trident then, isn't it? We wouldn't have the same deficit as an independent country as we wouldn't have the same spending priorities. We wouldn't have to contribute millions to various expensive projects in other parts of the UK.

@Nyx

It's a good job that an independent Scotland wouldn't be wasting billions on Trident then, isn't it? We wouldn't have the same deficit as an independent country as we wouldn't have the same spending priorities. We wouldn't have to contribute millions to various expensive projects in other parts of the UK.

What infrastructure projects would those be? If you're talking about cross rail and hs2 then we get Barnett consequential for both of those so they are a net gain to Scotland.

Defence spending in Scotland would pretty much be the same as now so no gain there.

"*.....Scotland voted, but apparently because Nicola didn't get her way we have to keep voting until she does."
*
Something similar happened in Ireland - some EU treaty.
The Irish people voted against it.
The Irish government at the time weren't happy with this outcome.
They insisted that we have another referendum and the result was reversed.

Some of these comments are really weird.

No one is pushing for a second referendum because “Nicola didn’t get her way” (??!) it’s because now the MAJORITY of Scottish people have put their trust in a pro-independence party.

No one can say the landscape hasn’t changed since 2014. Come on people.

@Ziga

Some of these comments are really weird.

No one is pushing for a second referendum because “Nicola didn’t get her way” (??!) it’s because now the MAJORITY of Scottish people have put their trust in a pro-independence party.

No one can say the landscape hasn’t changed since 2014. Come on people.

Except the majority of votes were for pro union parties, not pro Indy parties.

@Zigza that’s not actually correct.

Most Scots voted for unionist parties (or did not vote). The majority in Parliament does not mean that most people want it.

Pro independence parties, with manifestos that stated their intentions around continuing to pursue independence, overwhelmingly won the election. It was not a referendum but the results give a clear mandate to the Scottish government.

And NS clearly stated before the election that people should vote for her for Covid even if they didn’t want independence

Are you seriously arguing that there is no mandate to pursue independence?

I was pointing out that what @Ziga said is factually incorrect.

So no.no mandate by that reckoning.

Of course there is a mandate to pursue manifesto policies when a political party overwhelmingly wins an election. That’s democracy!

They are desperate and reaching. If this was FPTP like at WM it would be a total landslide. When you look at list votes cast (if you're counting individual votes) then there are far more pro-Indy party ones.

@WouldBeGood

I was pointing out that what *@Ziga* said is factually incorrect.

So no.no mandate by that reckoning.

Yes, if we take the 5 main parties (i.e. the ones invited to the debates) then percentage wise on the constituency vote it was 52.4% of the vote for unionist and on the list vote it was 56.2% for unionist.

Polls for independence have rarely put the Yes vote above 50% even when at times it's been higher than the No vote.

Interestingly when they use Leave/Remain, which they should do, the Leave vote is only around 37%

Obviously the major party do have a manifesto to pursue items on their list (like the class sizes ) but independence is a bigger beast than most manifesto promises - the vast majority of which don't seem to be achieved anyway. But it would be total madness even for indy supporters to believe that they are going to get a decent majority anytime soon.

"Which they should do"

You're really trying hard here.

@Nyx

"Which they should do"

You're really trying hard here.

Eh?

So you seriously think that the SNP should get to choose the question again rather than use the same one for Brexit? Or are you suggesting that indy supporters don't understand or that the vote for Brexit was compromised as the wrong question was used?

Just to confirm what you're saying WouldBeGood . The SG should NOT do what they've put in their manifesto. The manifesto that people just voted on.

My bad, i was adding up manually, list vote is 47.2 unionist. So one higher and one lower each.

@ElephantOfRisk

My bad, i was adding up manually, list vote is 47.2 unionist. So one higher and one lower each.

Adding in the smaller parties brings unionist back over the 50% though.

I believe the same question should be used as in the 2014 Indy ref otherwise it will cause confusion - which is what you want, I know.

It's all you've got. Arguing against democracy, gerrymandering, talking about partition. It's disgusting but not surprising.

what's disgusting? How is stating facts disgusting? Is it because they don't fit with what you want them to be?

A Yes/No question has inherent bias. If indy supporters are so easily confused by using the same question style as was used in Brexit then are you saying that the Brexit vote was compromised?

It's all you've got. Arguing against democracy, gerrymandering, talking about partition. It's disgusting but not surprising.

I'd be interested to see where I've talked about partition and what gerrymandering or indeed arguing against democracy I've engaged in - please direct me to that or is it just that name calling is all you have?

Stop trying to conflate Brexit and Scottish independence.

I need to say that I am so glad that Nicola has called out the disgusting killing happening in Palestine. It's absolutely heart breaking.

I meant you as in unionists. So you personally haven't mentioned partition (yet!); but gerrymandering as in messing with the wording of the vote. Arguing against democracy as in saying although pro indy parties have by far the most seats, you are counting individual votes.