The End is CerTEIRnly in Sight ...

[dancemom]

New thread, possibly the last?

@latissimusdorsi if you look at the travellingtabby dashboard then it gives the number of hospital admissions by age group. sadly it doesn't have that at local data level but the majority (28) are in the 25-44 age group so chances are they haven't had a first dose of vaccine unless they have an underlying health condition or work in NHS etc and the next highest group is 45-64 who've probably only had one dose, maybe two. Which is totally skewed compared to the long term stats for hospital admissions when the 65+ age groups far outweighs the younger folk....but they are more likely to have now had 2 vaccines so at a basic level it would seem to vaccines are keeping people out of hospital.

That's fantastic news. Just got to get more jabs in arms now, and ensure that second doses are done as that seems to be really important. I'd like to see the online registration system more widely publicised and available to all age groups.

Both me and DD tested negative by PCR, but she still has to isolate, back to nursery Monday if no one in the house develops symptoms. It's really screwed my work week! I'm hoping that once we reach >X% adults fully vaccinated we can safely stop sending kids home when they've been in contact with a case.

Given the younger age profile of admissions and fast increase that looks yet again suspiciously like an outbreak within the hospital system.

[quote emmathedilemma]@latissimusdorsi if you look at the travellingtabby dashboard then it gives the number of hospital admissions by age group. sadly it doesn't have that at local data level but the majority (28) are in the 25-44 age group so chances are they haven't had a first dose of vaccine unless they have an underlying health condition or work in NHS etc and the next highest group is 45-64 who've probably only had one dose, maybe two. Which is totally skewed compared to the long term stats for hospital admissions when the 65+ age groups far outweighs the younger folk....but they are more likely to have now had 2 vaccines so at a basic level it would seem to vaccines are keeping people out of hospital.[/quote]
Last December, it was the same in London (mainly 25-44 year olds). It was due to education settings - children and young people taking it home.

Thanks @emmathedilemma that's really good indication of vaccine efficacy

Yes I think you're right @StarryEyeSurprise about schools. 2 biggest age groups of cases are under 14s and 25-44. School kids and their parents

Yes. At least the summer term's not too far away so cases / hospitalisations shouldn't get too high .

The only people I know who are getting it now are teenagers at school and their parents.

@latissimusdorsi

According to Scot Gov website Glasgow hospitalisations gone from 33 to 51 over last week

My point still stands - that doesn't mean that increase is people being hospitalised in order to be treated for Covid. This could be anyone in any wards who has tested positive for Covid while there! I don't think this is worrying in the slightest

[quote emmathedilemma]@latissimusdorsi if you look at the travellingtabby dashboard then it gives the number of hospital admissions by age group. sadly it doesn't have that at local data level but the majority (28) are in the 25-44 age group so chances are they haven't had a first dose of vaccine unless they have an underlying health condition or work in NHS etc and the next highest group is 45-64 who've probably only had one dose, maybe two. Which is totally skewed compared to the long term stats for hospital admissions when the 65+ age groups far outweighs the younger folk....but they are more likely to have now had 2 vaccines so at a basic level it would seem to vaccines are keeping people out of hospital.[/quote]
These younger people in hospital could be anyone in for a day procedure...it doesn't mean the young are seriously unwell with Covid and in fact probably aren't. There is a story behind stats. The fact that the cases are highest among that population means if you are in hospital for any reason there is a greater chance you might also be positive with Covid.

Sorry trying to bring back some perspective here on 'hospitalisations'

Hmm, I'm quite sure people must SI before operations and also have a negative test before entering hospital? Obviously different if life saving op / emergency.

Is it not anyone in hospital who has had a positive test in the past 4 weeks

@StarryEyeSurprise

Hmm, I'm quite sure people must SI before operations and also have a negative test before entering hospital? Obviously different if life saving op / emergency.

Prior to a scheduled operation yes but there are many examples of treatments in hospitals which cannot be delayed including births/kidney treatments etc.

Generally as well if someone gets a temp whilst in hospital they will also do a covid swab.
The cases in our local hospital occurred whilst in the hospital rather than being admitted with covid (it was a whole ward).

It's impossible to tell just from the stats given what the breakdown is of those being treated in hospital for covid and those who test positive for covid whilst at hospital and although they have those stats they wouldn't release them especially given the numbers are so low now.

My point still stands - that doesn't mean that increase is people being hospitalised in order to be treated for Covid. This could be anyone in any wards who has tested positive for Covid while there! I don't think this is worrying in the slightest

Agree, can also be people who caught it while in there or simply tested positive in the last 28 days. If there is more prevalence in the community then it stands that there will be more prevalence in hospitals, doesn't mean that they are being treated for covid. In fact I would imagine that most people with treatable symptoms will be treated at home as far as possible and if they need to go to hospital it's more likely that they require ICU and not just a hospital bed. Maybe a High dependency unit or something but not sure where those numbers are counted.

So essentially on 1st May you might have had a positive test and no symptoms but need to be admitted to hospital (for any reason) on the 16th May then you count as a positive covid hospitalisation case - unless that measure is now calculated differently. If you are then discharged after the 28th May it then becomes difficult to work out as well.

On top of that the tests are inaccurate. A positive covid test result is not a clinical diagnosis.

Quite @Pootle40

I'm not concerned about rise in hospital numbers. I was only interested in hospital numbers to see if link between vaccine and reduced hospitalisation was becoming clearer

But from what you are saying this is a totally meaningless number they have been giving us for 15 months and bears no relevance to number actually being treated for Covid?

I'm only interested in number of people requiring hospital treatment for Covid. This is the only Covid statistic now that really matters!

@ElephantOfRisk It was changed last year - covid during stay or two weeks prior to count.

But that doesn’t mean they are being treated for Covid @StarryEyeSurprise. Just that their positive test is recent.

I'm only interested in number of people requiring hospital treatment for Covid. This is the only Covid statistic now that really matters!

It's always been the stat that matters but we've never had it. Same for the deaths, It's deaths WITH covid (or suspected covid) even though the person may have died from a stroke or whatever else completely unrelated.

@WouldBeGood

But that doesn’t mean they are being treated for Covid *@StarryEyeSurprise*. Just that their positive test is recent.

I didn't say it did .

It’s just really important to be clear on it

The Government? Or me? Confused! I've never stated that the numbers relate to those only admitted to hospital due to covid .

Everyone should be clear on it 🤷🏻‍♀️

Twitter: Telegraph reporting NS has abandoned the zero Covid strategy.

Hurray!!!

Hurray from me too. That was never going to happen.