The End is CerTEIRnly in Sight ...

[dancemom]

New thread, possibly the last?

Am I misunderstanding, but there seem to be very few deaths from Covid, yet we're still living under these conditions - more people are dying from lots of other things and soon the majority of the population will be vaccinated.

Restrictions in schools haven't changed since August - in my region anyway - it's horrible and I feel really sorry for the kids and teachers.

That’s correct on the deaths @RaraRachael.

Restrictions in schools have ramped up with the all day mask mandate. It’s all pointless and needs revisited and normality restored.

Penicuik primary will reopen on Tuesday and the secondary to the whole school on Wednesday. There’s been very little mention of the closure in the press.

@randomsabreuse

Problem is home quarantine is pretty ineffective especially if you go shopping on the way home, go home by public transport and are at home with people who didn't travel therefore aren't quarantining.

Also not segregating arrivals at the airport is fairly unhelpful as well - so there's a strong case for all arrivals to quarantine at a hotel regardless of origin.

Yes and lots no doubt go straight back to work. All people should be completing enforced quarantine when arriving into the UK from abroad. I do find it strange that people are still arguing against it but hey ho. It's also a false economy as it's costing us hugely in a financial and mental health sense.

Vaccines will not be enough if we are living as normal and enforced quarantine ( especially from covid hot spots) isn't in place.

Apologies @ random! Second half was in reply to @Scottishskifun

Why aren't vaccines enough once rolled out? I try not to depress myself with mutations but we don't have any known vaccine resistant mutations do we?

Or we need to keep restrictions because we think a resistant mutation will happen based on something?

Vaccines are enough.

I'm so frustrated with it all. When we started this thread I genuinely thought this would be the last one and we would go into the summer months with a feeling of normality. But no, Glasgow has been stuck in the same position for 9 months now. And the SG answer? Testing, testing, testing 🤦🏻‍♀️

It's reassuring to see (although obviously not for people involved) that largest numbers of cases are in 25-45 age group and under 14s. Majority of these won't be vaccinated or only very recently vaccinated so not gained much protection yet.

We really need the crack on with the vaccinations, that's our only way out.

And I agree people coming back from India should have been quarantined in a hotel

@WouldBeGood

We’d actually be better to use our extra vaccines to vaccinate the vulnerable in other countries instead of children and young people here. Much more effective, and humane.

Absolutely this.

Can we please stop the narrative that all Indian variant cases have arrived on planes from India. Blaming the U.K. government for good measure too. It’s really ridiculous to talk about it in this context.

Like sayingthe Kent variant last summer was brought to Scotland only by Kent holidaymakers🧐🤷‍♀️

@charliebrown59

Why aren't vaccines enough once rolled out? I try not to depress myself with mutations but we don't have any known vaccine resistant mutations do we?

Or we need to keep restrictions because we think a resistant mutation will happen based on something?

Oh no I don't want continued restrictions! Strict quarantine ( especially from hotspots) and life back to normal for those living in the UK ( whilst the pandemic is ongoing worldwide).

@Bytheloch

Can we please stop the narrative that all Indian variant cases have arrived on planes from India. Blaming the U.K. government for good measure too. It’s really ridiculous to talk about it in this context.

Like sayingthe Kent variant last summer was brought to Scotland only by Kent holidaymakers🧐🤷‍♀️

No one is saying that ALL Indian variant cases came from people coming off direct flights from India.

@ElephantOfRisk

The problem with the "case" figures and particularly with the hospitalisations is that the hospital figure is also those that test positive rather than those ill with covid, so when covid is circulating in the community at any level, more cases means more people in hospital who test positive, even though they might be in because they've had a heart attack or broken a leg or whatever. That's the problem really. We aren't tracking those who have a clinical diagnosis of covid that is the reason for them presenting in hospital or ICU.

This is why people are annoyed and frustrated.

Exactly this. None of those new numbers might be being treated for Covid but we don't know and the government can pedal whatever narrative they want and we know which one they like to go with....BIG BAD COVID

@latissimusdorsi

It's reassuring to see (although obviously not for people involved) that largest numbers of cases are in 25-45 age group and under 14s. Majority of these won't be vaccinated or only very recently vaccinated so not gained much protection yet.

We really need the crack on with the vaccinations, that's our only way out.

And I agree people coming back from India should have been quarantined in a hotel

Yes and why has been very clear recently is that age groups who have been vaccinated case numbers are plummeting. You can see it impacting a reduction is cases for 45+ now so we need to get through the young adults ASAP.

I for one don't think this Indian variant poses a more severe risk to anyone and particularly not young. I'd go so far as to say that's utter pish

Yet, only a few posts back @StarryEyeSurprise you were livid about it I'm livid that thousands were let in directly from India whilst the PM was out there signing a trade deal.

Who are you livid at? Oh and the PM didn’t go🤷‍♀️ but he’s probably responsible for the East Ren cases rising, right?

@Bytheloch

Yet, only a few posts back *@StarryEyeSurprise you were livid about it I'm livid that thousands were let in directly from India whilst the PM was out there signing a trade deal. *

Who are you livid at? Oh and the PM didn’t go🤷‍♀️ but he’s probably responsible for the East Ren cases rising, right?

East Ren folk are pretty posh so it figures that that's where Boris would go to spread covid. 🤷🏻‍♀️

@Bytheloch

Yet, only a few posts back *@StarryEyeSurprise you were livid about it I'm livid that thousands were let in directly from India whilst the PM was out there signing a trade deal. *

Who are you livid at? Oh and the PM didn’t go🤷‍♀️ but he’s probably responsible for the East Ren cases rising, right?

At the UK Government for putting India's neighbours on enforced quarantine but not India. Utterly pointless.

I don't get why some posters feel the need to continually defend the PM but hey ho.

@Bytheloch

Yet, only a few posts back *@StarryEyeSurprise you were livid about it I'm livid that thousands were let in directly from India whilst the PM was out there signing a trade deal. *

Who are you livid at? Oh and the PM didn’t go🤷‍♀️ but he’s probably responsible for the East Ren cases rising, right?

Boris probably has a girlfriend in Newton Mearns so it'll be his fault again. Or maybe Dominic Cummings needed to visit an Optician in Clarkston?

@StarryEyeSurprise

I don't get why some posters feel the need to continually defend the PM but hey ho.

And the rest of us don't get why you defend the FM and her cronies

@randomsabreuse

Problem is home quarantine is pretty ineffective especially if you go shopping on the way home, go home by public transport and are at home with people who didn't travel therefore aren't quarantining.

Also not segregating arrivals at the airport is fairly unhelpful as well - so there's a strong case for all arrivals to quarantine at a hotel regardless of origin.

Definitely agree more should be done to segregate arrival halls and this is what they have recently done in Singapore after case rise.

Hotels only work to a certain extent for instance we still have had brizilian and SA variant in the UK not associated with direct travel. You also only have to look at how the Kent variant spread around the world to be pretty dominant. The UK is banned from many many countries, the variants still get in.

It's pretty naive to think that hotels will stop all variants cropping up here. Also in a country like the UK which is heavily reliant on lorry import and export, migrant farm workers etc etc that we can completely shut down the import potential of virus.

I don't necessarily disagree with hotels but it needs to be proportionate. I don't agree with making everything a hotel country like Scotland did as it creates a 2 tier society.
Those who can afford to see a dying loved one for instance and those who can't.

Scotnset, in the effort to constantly undermine the actions of ONLY the Scottish government, now finds itself the only enclave on earth that finds the Prime Minister's actions relating to India any way reasonable.

I actually love watching the way certain posters twist themselves backwards trying to defend anything UK / England related.

'No, no. Of course the Indian variant doesn't come from India'
'Oh that virus has mutated 1 billion times since then. That India variant is meaningless'

🤣🤣🤣 wtf 🤷🏻‍♀️

Some primary schools in Clackmannanshire have been shut with all staff and students told to isolate whether they’ve been in contact with a case or not, as well as siblings at secondary. Apparently it’s to prevent clacks from going back to level 3, so apparently children are having to make the biggest sacrifice yet again.
www.alloaadvertiser.com/news/19317613.tullibody-schools-nursery-close-covid-19-cases-rise/

@forfucksakenett I think your missing the point of what I'm on about with how the virus mutates.
Of course the Indian variant is still the Indian variant but people seem to be under the impression that we only get variants from letting people fly in which is incorrect.

It's also a very slippery slope to start blaming countries or people for that variant. Variants can arise anywhere and everywhere that's what I was getting at!

I personally don't see the SG going hard or fast enough. I haven't seen news of door to door testing for instance in hot spots.