The End is CerTEIRnly in Sight ...

[dancemom]

New thread, possibly the last?

I hope you feel better soon RJ, and your dh. It is brutal but as you say you have been unlucky. But i know so many like you and much younger too.

I think with the daily record article at present I’m more worried because you can see the way the scottish media are going with this. They’re saying it had an impact on the decision to keep Glasgow in tier 3.

The CNN article is a bit puzzling. "20% of those admitted to hospital had been vaccinated but their cases weren't serious". If you require hospital admission it's not mild. Or is there a bizarre reckoning that only ICU cases are serious?

[quote forfucksakenett]@Scottishskifun I did read it but thanks for your patronising comment. I forgot that only you can understand the written word and that only you are allowed to have an opinion on this.

Not scaremongering. It's being cognisant that some caution wouldn't go amiss. [/quote]
If you only post a photo of a dramatic headline rather then giving the breakdown of how this has related to actual numbers and hospitalisation then it is scare mongering.

Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion but should also give others the option of giving details so they can make up their own mind!

To me the Seychelles shows what vaccination can do - it has kept down serious cases and even within the test positive rate its lower which is good news!

Exactly. If not serious then why in hospital? The moderate cases described on this very thread sounded horrific but at no time required hospitalisation.

It's a weird one.

@Lidlfix

The CNN article is a bit puzzling. "20% of those admitted to hospital had been vaccinated but their cases weren't serious". If you require hospital admission it's not mild. Or is there a bizarre reckoning that only ICU cases are serious?

Is this kind of an American "i'm paying $$$$ for medical insurance so i'm bloody well going to use it" scenario?

Stories of similar things happening in India - wealthy people with a very mild covid case being admitted and using up the oxygen when they would have been perfectly fine at home.

I am listening raspberry. Im looking at what might happen ,going by reports. Of course cases are low in your area and thats just fab. But they aren't where i live and i work in Glasgow city centre. So i have a right to be concerned. If you aren't im genuinely pleased for you. Its not easy being this worried, but i dont think its entirely unjustified

And my ds works in govanhill. And gets the bus there. Whoop de do.

If I'm honest I don't think many people in Glasgow city will take heed of the fact they're staying in level 3 so now more people are just going to meet in houses instead of going out!

@Lidlfix

The CNN article is a bit puzzling. "20% of those admitted to hospital had been vaccinated but their cases weren't serious". If you require hospital admission it's not mild. Or is there a bizarre reckoning that only ICU cases are serious?

There are 5 broad classifications of covid Asystomatic Mild Moderate Serious ICU/critical

From having a moderate case it's still not nice and I needed steroid treatment, it's broadly based on oxygen sat levels - moderate cases can still need some stabilisation assistance/steroid treatment.

Serious is under 90 O2 sats

I think that's probably true as well @hilbil21 . People have well and truly had enough. I am a tad concerned about the potential consequences though.

I think that's why we're in the position we're in @hilbil21 people are just done with this.

@ssd. You are absolutely allowed to be anxious and in response to your question, I’d say that your circumstances are likely making you more so. Some of the replies you’ve received have been extremely unkind.

I hope you don’t mind me asking (and I promise it’s meant kindly) but do you have any ways to manage the anxiety? Does anything help? Also, not sure how old you are, but have you been vaccinated? If so I really hope you get your second dose soon.

I hope you’ve not been put off posting for support.

Moderate cases in the UK are generally dealt with via NHS 111 and linking to gdocs/online Dr's who are able to do video consultations and prescribe so that people can stay at home or the Dr assessment says they need to go into hospital.

The NHS and UK is fairly unique for this and it keeps people out of hospital as you still get medicine to help from home.
Other countries don't have the set up so moderate cases more likely to attend hospital.

@ssd

I am listening raspberry. Im looking at what might happen ,going by reports. Of course cases are low in your area and thats just fab. But they aren't where i live and i work in Glasgow city centre. So i have a right to be concerned. If you aren't im genuinely pleased for you. Its not easy being this worried, but i dont think its entirely unjustified

Could you order some FFP2 masks? They are a bit more expensive, a lot warmer to wear but do block air particulate as they are tight to the face all the way around.

It might help your anxiety on public transport etc

Thanks ssd we are over the worst but it’s knocked both of our confidence.

I’m sorry you’re so worried and I wish I could be more reassuring, the odds are still in your favour in all ways though. Remember everything in life is a calculated risk, it’s just we have heard of nothing but this one for 16 months and it’s become disproportionate in our fears as a result.

Judging from social media glasgow is already heaving with football fans. They are going to go nuts today. How can ScotGov condemn that after condoning the protest the other day? Over 900 comments when I last looked on glasgow live basically saying fuck off. They need to surge the vaccinations. Tiers and lockdown isn't going to work at this point.

Okay so even if we accept your version @Scottishskifun that these hospitalised cases are only moderate and would only require over the phone treatment in the UK (although I'm not sure how you can be so certain of that) then don't you think that vaccinated people even getting moderate cases is a tad concerning.

A big rethink in Gov strategies (around the world) is required now. People put up with lockdowns and restrictions to basic liberties such as seeing family while we were waiting for a vaccine. It's here now so the masses are not going to be prepared to continue living under restrictions with no hope of an end point.
Don't know what that new strategy will look like and good luck to them but I think they're losing control now!

Exactly the point I was making when I cited the CNN article. Any illness requiring a hospital admission is not mild, moderate cases are debilitating and worthy of concern.

I empathise with SSD because I realise it can be easy to hypothesise .

There's a lot of hypothesising aimed at sectors such as retail and education. It's easy to say I'd be quite happy to be in a small poorly ventilated room with 30 (multiplied by 7) unmasked, unvaccinated young adults but in reality the person hypothesising will never need to do that. Or I'd be quite happy to serve behind a till in a supermarket coming into contact with triple figures of customers per day handling good and cash that have been handled by many others but in reality I am working from home and getting my shopping delivered so the contacts I have are where and when I choose.

I don't have to take crowded public transport to my workplace and don't work in retail. I understand why someone who does and especially if they are unvaccinated and live in a location where cases are rising again is worried.

@Lidlfix

The CNN article is a bit puzzling. "20% of those admitted to hospital had been vaccinated but their cases weren't serious". If you require hospital admission it's not mild. Or is there a bizarre reckoning that only ICU cases are serious?

The source the article links to, from the Health Ministry, suggests that everyone entering hospital for any reason was tested. Presumably anyone testing positive for covid would be treated in the "covid treatment hospitals" regardless of what they were admitted for. So I assume that those vaccinated 20% had mild cases of covid, but were still admitted for a broken leg or whatever.

@RJnomore1 I'm on week 7 slowly improving after also moderate case but yes my walking has dropped massively its only starting to come back now but its not linear. I'm kinda the opposite having covid has reduced my anxiety around everything. 🤷‍♂️

But I now feel better knowing we all have antibodies. I was lucky to get my first jab this week as well. (it's 4 weeks after having covid you can get it BTW)

Definitely take it slowly though the fatigue is a bitch! There is useful info on doing activity diaries, videos on easy cook meals with low energy etc.

Ah fab thanks I’ll look for those. I cooked dinner on Thursday and had to lie down!

I think we both expected we would be mild at worst given our health, and being so ill shook us. Before the pandemic we were out all the time, gym, gigs, meals out, friends, weekends away, holidays, very nervous about all that now. Especially going abroad, we are agreed we can’t imagine anything worse than being stuck abroad with this.

We’ve still not even had a letter re vaccination they seem very behind here.

@ssd

I thought so raspberry. Its easy to sit at home and rubbish someone online for being worried. I work full time in retail, in a busy shop, customers constantly in your face with masks at their nose, coughing behind you, leaning over you. And getting public transport 10 times a week, now so busy all seats nearly full and people standing in the aisle. So im out all the time, amongst people. And thats why im worried. Also i have kids that mix, thats unavoidable. I dont want to see whats happening but its really hard to get patronised on here by someone sitting at home with a cosy one day a week volunteer job.

Completely agree SSD. Your chance of catching it obviously increase as cases in the community increase. As the other poster's example shows, one can still catch it even when cases are low.

It's not right that those who don't need to mix with the public are shouting the loudest re everything's fine, open up more, back to normal NOW.

It also gets to me the 'We're locked up.' No, you're really, really not. Some people do not realise how lucky they are.

@RJnomore1 yeah I'm the same on paper should have been mild - active mid 30s it is very random!

Slow cooker has become my best friend even do a risotto in it! Worth the £25-50 from Amazon if you don't have one!