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Thread 7 - No pitch forks or Pom Poms - Scottish political shenanigans

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TheShadowyFeminist · 06/04/2021 15:46

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happygolurkey · 27/04/2021 11:27

I have no issue with genuine transgender people who have achieved the appropriate certification being in the prison appropriate to their gender. I do have an issue with intact male prisoners getting access to female facilities just because they want to.

yes, I agree.

I don't take issue with what your saying Redacted Just not sure how the Tories doing nothing is going to change anything if this is what is already happening? I looked at the link you gave and will go back and read it in more depth, thanks for that. Agree, it's all very concerning. I see there's a review of the Scottish Prison Service Gender Identity and Gender Reassignment Policy being undertaken though. Have the Tories said anything about this? That they are committed to it?
I would expect that self ID male prisoners would be returned to the appropriate facility. Unless that policy is changed I'm not sure how that would be. I just feel that voting Tory purely on this issue is leaving a lot to chance when they've made no mention of these issues or pledges in their manifesto.

WaxOnFeckOff · 27/04/2021 11:50

@happygolurkey

I have no issue with genuine transgender people who have achieved the appropriate certification being in the prison appropriate to their gender. I do have an issue with intact male prisoners getting access to female facilities just because they want to.

yes, I agree.

I don't take issue with what your saying Redacted Just not sure how the Tories doing nothing is going to change anything if this is what is already happening? I looked at the link you gave and will go back and read it in more depth, thanks for that. Agree, it's all very concerning. I see there's a review of the Scottish Prison Service Gender Identity and Gender Reassignment Policy being undertaken though. Have the Tories said anything about this? That they are committed to it?
I would expect that self ID male prisoners would be returned to the appropriate facility. Unless that policy is changed I'm not sure how that would be. I just feel that voting Tory purely on this issue is leaving a lot to chance when they've made no mention of these issues or pledges in their manifesto.

For the avoidance of confusion, this is also redacted.

Being clear here, my main voting decision is to vote for the person/party most likely to remove SNP and at the moment, in my area, that is the Tories.

A vote for the tories may not deliver positive change for women, but a vote for the SNP is definitely not going to.

happygolurkey · 27/04/2021 11:52

ah right, I missed all the discussion about namechanges. So it's WaxededonFeckoff I've been discussing prisons with? yes must admit it does throw you a bit knowing people are posting under multiple names. Waxed you've made snidey comments in the past about people doing this so surprised you're indulging in it? i did actually guess that Circles was Greenlandthemovie mind you. Again someone whose made snidey comments about this - but suddenly can't believe we are talking about it!

speedtalker · 27/04/2021 11:56

I'd like to ask if I've got this right- the Alba position opened my eyes to how the list votes were applied, I didn't realise it took into account the number of successful constinuency wins.

So, on my ballot, I'm planning to vote on the constinuency list for a party that I don't entirely agree with, but who are most likely to be able to stop the party I dislike getting a seat.

I'm thinking for my regional list vote (Lothian), voting for another party who I don't entirely agree with, but I think they should have more representation in the government.

Am I right in thinking that in the list vote, if that party hasn't won any constituency seats- that vote weighs for more for that party? That's why the SNP don't get many list MSPs...yes?

Actually, looking at it based on 2016, the constinuency MSPs for Lothian are made up of 6 SNPs, 1 Con, 1 Lab and 1 Lib Dem. So, does the algorithm, if that were to happen again, take the number of SNP votes on the list and divide them by 6, and then divide the Con/Lab/LibDem by something greater than one..oh God, I'm now not sure what to do....Confused

Scottishskifun · 27/04/2021 11:57

Again can we get back on topic!
It was a mumsnet glitch many people here have changed their names in the past it's pretty easy to guess the links from style even those who haven't had the glitch. It's not a detective thread!

Topic is the elections, parties and government.

happygolurkey · 27/04/2021 11:59

Being clear here, my main voting decision is to vote for the person/party most likely to remove SNP and at the moment, in my area, that is the Tories.

Fair enough, if you can stomach the brand of austerity they're known for then i guess nothing I can say about prisons is going to change that

WaxOnFeckOff · 27/04/2021 12:02

So your responses to what someone is saying depend on who it is you think is talking about it? Okay.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 27/04/2021 12:12

speedtalker, Aurea posted a link about voting tactically. It gives a table fiemrceach constituency, and an explanation of how the votes are allocated for the list seats.

WaxOnFeckOff · 27/04/2021 12:15

@ICouldHaveCheckedFirst

speedtalker, Aurea posted a link about voting tactically. It gives a table fiemrceach constituency, and an explanation of how the votes are allocated for the list seats.
Yes, there is also a thread about the election where there are links explaining how the voting system works etc.
ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 27/04/2021 12:15

Oh, it was on a different thread! (the one about not wanting to vote SNP or Tory).
Anyway, Google for voting tactically. I'll try to link.

speedtalker · 27/04/2021 12:21

Thanks. I did have a look back on here, but couldn't see anything about it, but if it's that simple I should be able to find it.

happygolurkey · 27/04/2021 12:23

So your responses to what someone is saying depend on who it is you think is talking about it? Okay.

not at all, it's just disconcerting that's all. Yourself and Greenland made disparaging comments about this in the past when you've accused others of it. Seems we've not to talk about it any more though now youz have had your say on it

CirclesWithinCircles · 27/04/2021 12:27

@happygolurkey

ah right, I missed all the discussion about namechanges. So it's WaxededonFeckoff I've been discussing prisons with? yes must admit it does throw you a bit knowing people are posting under multiple names. Waxed you've made snidey comments in the past about people doing this so surprised you're indulging in it? i did actually guess that Circles was Greenlandthemovie mind you. Again someone whose made snidey comments about this - but suddenly can't believe we are talking about it!
Made snidey comments about what? Are you still obsessing about name changing? Honestly, who cares that much? I think I mentioned it on here the very first or second time I posted after my recent name change. I can't believe how easily you get distracted. It really is bizarre, but I'm not going about named after a film that was due to be released pre covid and was eventually released on a streaming service months ago!

How utterly ridiculous this all is - I know I say it a lot, but you really do come across as one of those going nowhere girls at the back of the class throwing scrunched up pieces of paper at anyone trying to do something more meaningful!

WaxOnFeckOff · 27/04/2021 12:28

Talk about it all you like, I've never said anyone can't change their name. People want to or need to for any number of reasons. My only issue is where people do it in order to deceive. This all started when a poster claimed to be another poster when stirring. I and someone else incorrectly accused someone of being that poster for which I apologised.

That poster keeps bringing it up.

Just very interesting how you would treat someone's points differently just because of which user name is used.

CirclesWithinCircles · 27/04/2021 12:32

@happygolurkey

So your responses to what someone is saying depend on who it is you think is talking about it? Okay.

not at all, it's just disconcerting that's all. Yourself and Greenland made disparaging comments about this in the past when you've accused others of it. Seems we've not to talk about it any more though now youz have had your say on it

I'm pretty sure I didn't. I did make a comment around 3000 posts ago possibly on the issue of how certain Snp fanatics seem to have a lot of tactics in common. You can see this clearly here - you don't want to discuss real issues affectng real peoples' lives, no, instead you want to discuss the real issue if the day, name changes on an Internet discussion group!

Shows how much you really care, eh? It's often a tactic of liars to wrongly assume that everyone else is a liar too, and to make vague, paranoid sounding accusations, or to go to great lengths to try to prove... absolutely nothing. Other than a sense of being hard done by in their own imagination.

happygolurkey · 27/04/2021 12:43

but you really do come across as one of those going nowhere girls

It's often a tactic of liars

as I say, nice to see people are no longer making huge sweeping assumptions about others on this thread.

What was the thing about the budgeting on ScottishSKiFun Sounds interesting - was it on telly?

happygolurkey · 27/04/2021 12:45

proposed spending in manifesto versus reality.... I mean Scottishskifun?

forfucksakenett · 27/04/2021 12:55

@WaxOnFeckOff

Talk about it all you like, I've never said anyone can't change their name. People want to or need to for any number of reasons. My only issue is where people do it in order to deceive. This all started when a poster claimed to be another poster when stirring. I and someone else incorrectly accused someone of being that poster for which I apologised.

That poster keeps bringing it up.

Just very interesting how you would treat someone's points differently just because of which user name is used.

There's a bit more to that story to be fair. Yes I would say that you are a bit more hesitant to reply to certain posters if you've had a run in in the past. There are some posters I try to avoid having been verbally abused by them in the past and accused of some pretty dramatic stuff!

Name changing is completely different to posting multiple times in a thread using two different names. If people can't or won't see the difference there then 🤷🏻‍♀️

@Scottishskifun you're not the thread police. The conversation goes where it goes and if you don't like it don't engage until it's back to where you want it to be.

happygolurkey · 27/04/2021 12:55

Just very interesting how you would treat someone's points differently just because of which user name is used.

i wouldn't.

WaxOnFeckOff · 27/04/2021 12:57

@happygolurkey

Just very interesting how you would treat someone's points differently just because of which user name is used.

i wouldn't.

You just did.
Scottishskifun · 27/04/2021 13:02

Yes it was on the Campaign on BBC 1 last night its available on I player.

happygolurkey · 27/04/2021 13:07

Yes it was on the Campaign on BBC 1 last night its available on I player. ah right, cheers Scottishskifun. I'll check that out.

readsalotgirl63 · 27/04/2021 13:07

@happygolurkey
I see there's an article in the P&J today accusing the Scottish Government of sex discrimination over restart grants. A woman who runs 2 beauty salon businesses has pointed out that, unlike in England, these predominately female led businesses have only been given a flat rate of £6000 by the Scottish Government, instead of one of the three levels of funding available in England which depend on the size of the business.

She also points out that the Scottish government have been granted £600 million by Westminster for this purpose and wonders why there's less funding available for Scottish businesses from the Scottish government. She points out that she receives £2000 less than the lowest level of English funding, and up to £18000 less than larger English businesses.
Story was in the P&J but I also saw this in the Sunday Times

readsalotgirl63 · 27/04/2021 13:08

Sorry I was trying to quote an earlier post but clearly didn't manage that very well

readsalotgirl63 · 27/04/2021 13:12

www.heraldscotland.com/news/19246639.beauty-salon-owners-claim-north-south-divide-will-hamper-recovery/

Think Becky Woodhouse founder of PURE Spa is behind the legal challenge - can't seem to find anything more recent that isn't behind a paywall