Thread 7 - No pitch forks or Pom Poms - Scottish political shenanigans

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The SNP manifesto promises to educate people into espousing trans rights which sounds suitably totalitarian.

Does this not refer to LGBT education?

Yes it does @WouldBeGood
How on earth is this fair to women?
Sport should never be like this, I’m trying to understand why anyone would consider this to be fair and equal participation in sport.
I definitely would not like to be in a toilet nor a sport changing room with them.

See I can have respect for a politician even if I don’t agree with them politically and I did used to have respect for NS but her lack of support do JC is abhorrent, it really shows her up in such poor light.

She doesn’t need to support JC’S stance but she should show solidarity to someone in her own party being subject to such abuse. A good leader should be able to do that.

So we're now using a picture of an American person, as an argument against the GRA legislation in Scotland. Has the person competed against females? Is the law in America even the same as in Scotland?

Try googling Karen White then. She’s British.

Oh and I should add that there was going to be transwomen competing in the Olympics for weightlifting.

Furthermore is the USA changes its rules for elite competition, other countries will follow.

I believe some states changed rules at their junior level which in turn has led to female athletes missing out on vital scholarship to attend university.

Has the person competed against females? Is the law in America even the same as in Scotland?

No idea I’m pretty sure if you google you’ll find the answers to your questions.

Karen White is a criminal not a sportsperson.

Stonehaven FC www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/transgender-footballer-who-now-plays-14110451

@Blurberoo assuming that everything in there is true that's actually a pretty positive article.

I shared the article just to illustrate that it is happening here in Scotland. I don’t know enough about the Stonehaven FC situation to know if it’s a problem for other teams or not.
I think that when the olympics can go ahead it’ll be quite an eye opener for a lot of people as so many female sports on a global scale include trans women now.

It’s dangerous and wrong for men to compete against women in sports. No matter if they’re claiming to be women. Ridiculous

Oops, I type on my crappy phone so sometimes rather inarticulate.

Karen White is a criminal but is an example of someone claiming to be a transwomen and the very person who would use GRA to abuse their status which exemplifies the danger of such legislation.

As for sport, it’s already happening at elite level as possibly to be demonstrated at the Olympics - the individuals had qualified but with all the Covid impact I don’t know if they are still going to compete.

Quite simply, there is very few sports that women can compete against biological men.

It is a positive article but tbh I'm really not sure I agree with transwomen in women's sports.

I'm very surprised that the Olympics committee would allow this tbh.

The Olympic committee are fully on board.

I’m really not anti trans, I’m very much a live and let live kind of person, but this stuff is happening now.
It’s a crying shame for young girls who have dedicated their lives to sport only to get pushed out and in the US, lose vital university scholarships.

I’m not anti trans. Crack on. But don’t claim to be a woman

@Selkiesarereal no I get that they are on board with it I'm just surprised.

To understand the extent of the illogicality: Rape is an exclusively male crime because the legal definition requires the use of a penis (didn't know this myself till my teens explained post sex ed at school).

However,
“Police Scotland said that if a rape or attempted rape was perpetrated by a “male who self-identifies as a woman . . . the male who self-identifies as a woman would be expected to be recorded as a female on relevant police systems.””

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rape-suspects-can-choose-to-self-identify-as-female-vfl678tg6?fbclid=IwAR3vjfCryhFv7G-VEBk-cBielW6x7MjXORJWx9rm9C9pb8R1MuuKEf-sf-w

It is completely illogical and goes back to the fundamental point of where is the line.

If TWAW then the current position of the Olympic committee makes sense.

Also Karen White, again urge people to google her and see her image, is a woman and equally under the proposed GRA could come to Scotland self Id and then immediately is a woman with the same legal protections as the rest of us.

It is people like Karen White that shows gra is hugely problematic.

And going back to the Olympics, at the moment the committee doesn’t need to concern itself too much about the issue as there are so few transwomen competitors and are n niche sports so basically few will really notice. But let’s think about a few years time when some countries have been actively involved in doping athletes, there will not be any need (great for the long term health of those athletes) as all they will do is take the men who didn’t make the male team tell them that they are now a women and on the women’s team and shore up all the medals. By this point a generation of talented young women will have missed out.

This article covers what the greens pledge on pushing to get the Yogyakarta Principles enshrined into scots law means in terms of women & women's rights

"Asked about the consequences of not recording sex or gender on a birth certificate, Wintemute replied: “Potentially, it means that women would cease to exist as a legal category.”

The greens alone can't make this happen. But, what's worrying (for me) is this pledge in the green manifesto, coupled with the SNP commitment to reform on the basis of aligning with 'international best practice'.

Ensure LGBT+ inclusion in Scottish Government international development policies, and enshrining the Yogyakarta human rights principles into Scots law.

With the YP having already been referred to by Scotgov as 'international best practice' in previous consultation on GRA reform:

"the Scottish Government will ‘consult on the detail of a draft Gender Recognition Bill by the end of this year, setting out our proposals to reform the current process of obtaining a Gender Recognition Certificate and how we will bring Scotland into line with international best practice’"

Link to MBM blog here

Sturgeon has also stated "... I do believe we should aspire to best international practice.” when asked about GRA reform. Link to article here

The combination of SNP & Greens coalition government will be a significant risk to women's sex based rights. They have been already for the past 5 years, when we've seen the recording of male crimes recorded as female crime, & self ID being the basis of moving male prisoners into female prisons, NHS trusts stating in policy they cannot ensure women have female HCPs when required, schools removing single sex toilets, rape crisis refusing to guarantee a teenage victim of gang rape a female counsellor etc. Things are bad now. But they'll get far worse in the next parliamentary session under the SNP/Greens whether in coalition or if the SNP get a majority.

The Greens are just appalling. Why anyone would support this nonsense is just terrifying.

Majority of Green voters possibly just think they are foremost on environment ?

Wonder if they realise wind turbine blades have to go into landfill or be incinerated ?

I'd be surprised if there's any greens left who have no idea what's going on with them. It's their USP now.

@annabelindajane

Majority of Green voters possibly just think they are foremost on environment ?

Wonder if they realise wind turbine blades have to go into landfill or be incinerated ?

To be fair, that's after having produced a fair whack of electricity. The industry has been working really hard on stopping the (usually fibreglass or other composite) blades going to a non- productive end use until they develop fully recyclable blades. They usually grind them down now, and use them to reinforce concrete or similar, if they can't be reused, or used in part for something else. I've seen parts of the blades being used as bridges and bike sheds, which is pretty cool. They are enormous!

The main scandal I think is that despite Scotland having huge amounts of expertise in engineering and industry (building and maintaining offshore oil platforms for example, which can't be too different from offshore wind turbines), all the contracts for current windfarms are going to companies based abroad. Not sure why the SG with all their bluster about green jobs haven't actually promoted a home-grown industry in turbine manufacturing (rather than copping out with the bifab contracts and what not).

The Green election leaflet I’ve got has no mention of their plans to erase women. All just wholesome climate stuff. Most disingenuous.