Yikes! Alba Party - anyone voting for Salmond?

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Not a chance in hell will I be putting my X next to a party led by him.

No I won’t vote for him he’s a complete arse. It may not be bad for the independence movement though as he could get votes, and seats, from people who wont vote for Nicola.

He wasn't looking great?

No chance. Ego vehicle for someone whose behaviour fell far short. I'm not going to endorse that.

Not voting SNP either due to their anti women stance and social engineering. Not to mention a bunch of ill considered squanderings of public money. Hell will freeze over before the Greens get my vote. May consider ISP, but need to know more about them.

Am I missing something?
He was found not guilty!

I will vote snp and not AS but his party will be good for independence. Fingers crossed!

How desperate for separatism do you have to be to even think for a minute about voting for this odious narcissist?

@Fortherosesjoni70 yes he was found not guilty and not proven.

But he admitted to a lot of dodgy behaviour. Something doesn't have to be a crime to be unacceptable and problematic.

[quote SylvanianFrenemies]@Fortherosesjoni70 yes he was found not guilty and not proven.

But he admitted to a lot of dodgy behaviour. Something doesn't have to be a crime to be unacceptable and problematic.[/quote]
Did he? Where? Can you link?

I don't have a dossier here! But look at the trial coverage. Sexual contact and a "sleepy cuddle" on a bed with 2 separate junior colleagues. Grabbing someone by the wrists and "joking" they could recreate an image of a kissing couple. Repeatedly touching a junior team member's hair. Other incidents of uninvited touching. "Accidental" kiss on the mouth. And this is just what he has openly admitted. If you had a senior figure in any setting behaving like this no-one would think it ok.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-51926614

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/17/alex-salmond-tells-court-charges-are-fabrications-or-exaggerations

Yes I will vote for them.

I wouldn't vote for them, but they might pare off a few SNP list votes here and there which are largely inconsequential to the SNP in any case. If they can scrape together about 5-6% of the list vote, it could result in a net gain of 3 or 4 pro-Indi MSP's with SLab being the biggest loser.

Good to see that McEleny has already jumped ship. Hopefully it might prompt a few more of the undesirables in the SNP to follow suit and spare NS the headache.

Nicola Sturgeon creates her own headaches

I despise the man. I also despise the SNP. I totally oppose independence, but I think it’s inevitable. (We are all fucked anyway and if it happens and if it goes wrong then voters would only be able to blame theirselves.
There’s simply no point in getting wound up about it any more.) Nationalism of any kind is just ugly and problematic to me. You just can’t dress it up as anything else.

However, it’s great to finally see the SNP being slowly dismantled. Sturgeon has been left in her own invincible little bubble for such a long time now. This just highlights perfectly how sinister and dark the SNP have always been. Salmond was hailed a hero during the failed referendum! There have been so many of us who have always hated him and been very aware of how unpleasant, egotistical and narcissistic he and his hardcore supporters in the party are.

He certainly pulled the eyes over so many voters who supported him in the past.

Perhaps the SNP will stop wasting money now and finally attempt to run the country in an more efficient way.

He’s an arse. Don’t want to give him my vote.
The SNP (with some noble exceptions) are off their rockers and I’d rather not Voten for them, despite being broadly pro-Indy.
The Greens are even more bonkers. Labour and Lib Dem aren’t far behind.
Unthinkable for me to vote Conservative. I could not support them in any way.
I’d like a Scottish party I could vote for without holding my nose.

@ChaToilLeam

He’s an arse. Don’t want to give him my vote. The SNP (with some noble exceptions) are off their rockers and I’d rather not Voten for them, despite being broadly pro-Indy. The Greens are even more bonkers. Labour and Lib Dem aren’t far behind. Unthinkable for me to vote Conservative. I could not support them in any way. I’d like a Scottish party I could vote for without holding my nose.

Absolutely agree with this.

@ChaToilLeam

He’s an arse. Don’t want to give him my vote. The SNP (with some noble exceptions) are off their rockers and I’d rather not Voten for them, despite being broadly pro-Indy. The Greens are even more bonkers. Labour and Lib Dem aren’t far behind. Unthinkable for me to vote Conservative. I could not support them in any way. I’d like a Scottish party I could vote for without holding my nose.

Spot on.

Gosh it’s a tough decisions for a pro Indy voter.

Salmond who acts inappropriately with women and whose Own QC calls a sex pest.

And Sturgeon who is systematically dismantling women’s rights.

No I won't vote for him. AS ego can't take how a woman has grown the SNP, articulates better as well as handles her role as FM better than he.

Did he want NS time as FM to fail and he would have to step in and take over as leader, as he did previously. Is he trying to destroy NS career? As he has failed in his attempts to oust her as SNP leader/get her to resign, he creates a new party which seems to be all about AS ego rather than his goal of independence.

@ChaToilLeam

He’s an arse. Don’t want to give him my vote. The SNP (with some noble exceptions) are off their rockers and I’d rather not Voten for them, despite being broadly pro-Indy. The Greens are even more bonkers. Labour and Lib Dem aren’t far behind. Unthinkable for me to vote Conservative. I could not support them in any way. I’d like a Scottish party I could vote for without holding my nose.

Sums it up for me

Well, he certainly seems to have figured out what a woman is

You say that like it's a good thing, but his attitude towards women is anything but!

I am not living in Scotland but interested in what is happening. What I would appreciate in some background information. Firstly is there any truth in the claims that he intended to do something like this before all the scandal hit the fan? And that is why he was.unsupported by Sturgeon? I would love to understand what is actually going on. He seems to me to be a smart cookie and Sturgeon smart but perhaps not quite so. Once thing seems likely is that he may split the vote.

voting works different in Scotland HappyDaysAreHere. We have a kind of proportional representation. There's two ways you can be elected as an MSP - one is if you get the most votes in your constituency. But you can also get in as a 'list MSP' - basically, the total number of votes are counted and divided up proportionally between the other parties. It's to make things a bit fairer and have better representation for voters overall. It's worked well in the past so smaller parties get a voice. It is these 'list' votes Alba are going after and Salmond says they are not going after the 'constituency' ones. So it's not likely (though not totally impossible) that they will split the vote.
As I say, the system was designed to make things more representative, but used, one might call it 'strategically' (or tactically) like this undoes that I feel. Even though I lean more toward independence myself I feel that this tactic makes it a bit undemocratic in a way. Basically, everyone other than people pro-independence could end up not being represented in parliament as there's a good chance Labour, conservative and Lib Dem could just get wiped out/swamped. Doesn't seem very healthy to me to that roughly half the population could be left feeling disenfranchised.

that's just my take by the way - there's other threads on here that have tried to work out the arithmetic of it all looking at various constituencies and which will maybe give you a better idea. Maths/statistics aren't my strong point!

@SeashellShoeshine

I despise the man. I also despise the SNP. I totally oppose independence, but I think it’s inevitable. (We are all fucked anyway and if it happens and if it goes wrong then voters would only be able to blame theirselves. There’s simply no point in getting wound up about it any more.) Nationalism of any kind is just ugly and problematic to me. You just can’t dress it up as anything else.

However, it’s great to finally see the SNP being slowly dismantled. Sturgeon has been left in her own invincible little bubble for such a long time now. This just highlights perfectly how sinister and dark the SNP have always been. Salmond was hailed a hero during the failed referendum! There have been so many of us who have always hated him and been very aware of how unpleasant, egotistical and narcissistic he and his hardcore supporters in the party are.

He certainly pulled the eyes over so many voters who supported him in the past.

Perhaps the SNP will stop wasting money now and finally attempt to run the country in an more efficient way.

totally agree- although I'm not sure separatism is inevitable.

Even though I lean more toward independence myself I feel that this tactic makes it a bit undemocratic in a way. Basically, everyone other than people pro-independence could end up not being represented in parliament as there's a good chance Labour, conservative and Lib Dem could just get wiped out/swamped. Doesn't seem very healthy to me to that roughly half the population could be left feeling disenfranchised

It is. I wonder if party Alba could be challenged on that basis. The Green Party is pro separatism but is not it's main policy , obviously has policies on other matters and are far more left wing than the SNP. But if Alba has no policy beyond separatism then isn't that effectively giving the main separatist party a second bite? (I was going to say "at the cherry but that would be a dreadful, albeit unintentional pun)

I just keep hearing the alibaba party.