The Fall Out Continues - thread 6

[TheShadowyFeminist]

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The Sun has a non paywalled article complete with the latest odds for anyone up for a flutter just to keep it interesting.
www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/6899399/scottish-independence-10-years-rejoin-eu-hard-border-england/

and the paperwork to get freight/exports from Scotland into England then out of England into Europe.

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@noego

and the paperwork to get freight/exports from Scotland into England then out of England into Europe.

Goods can go via the Rosyth ferry. Would be good to get that open to passengers again too.

The new Irish routes direct to the Continent that opened up after Brexit are doing a roaring trade.

[quote SempreSuiGeneris]The Sun has a non paywalled article complete with the latest odds for anyone up for a flutter just to keep it interesting.
www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/6899399/scottish-independence-10-years-rejoin-eu-hard-border-england/[/quote]
Wonder what the odds are on Alba's election chances?

@noego

and the paperwork to get freight/exports from Scotland into England then out of England into Europe.

I think we'd have to upscale/build facilities to enable direct freight shipping from Scotland. I can't imagine going via England being a viable option - maybe it would but it strikes me as a red tape nightmare.

I've been ordering plants recently, and I've noticed that every website is "currently not shipping to Northern Ireland", with some explaining that there's a hige cost (£180 I think) for every plant delivery to NI as they need specialist paperwork. It's not the only example, just one I've become aware of.

Tasmina!!😂😂 What a surprise, not!!!

God they really are dragging all the crooks!!

There is scraping the bottom of the barrel and then there is Tasmina.

This election is going to be the most interesting one for a long time. If only we didn't have to live with the consequences.

At this late stage in the game I feel like a familiar face is worth a lot, even if it’s familiar for the wrong reasons!

The Northumberland property market is booming as is happens.

Ha I can tell you why it's no shipping to Northern Ireland - commercial invoices are needed and most 'domestic' carriers are frantically scrambling to produce them. This is usually only needed for worldwide shipping and the requirements were confirmed so late everyone is playing catch-up.

Wonder what the odds are on Alba's election chances?

Dunno. I'd wait for the first polls since the launch to come out.

You can get 8/1 on Anas Sarwar beating Nicola in Glasgow Southside.

Personalities don't mean a thing in my estimation. It is about the party and it's vision for the future and how that is communicated.

I watched the debate the other night and if that is the creme de la creme of Scottish politics then we're all in the shit whether independent or not.

What bothers me is that the right questions are not being asked of the parties that promote independence.

Considering the track record of the SNP in government.

Like for example NS. "Judge me on education" I'd love to but you on't publish the education report!!!!!!! or are there parts of it we're not supposed to see and are therefore being redacted?
Or the analysis of the GRA.
Or do you believe that the HCB is fit for purpose?

Or the health service is the biggest employer on Scotland, how do you propose to pay for that with all its running costs. I've got n inkling they'd privatise it.
Or do you believe that nationalising Scotrail is the right thing to do whilst recovering from a pandemic?
That's before we get into funding education, military or social services, prisons, police, etc.
What institution will underwrite the Scottish currency?
If one of the Isles votes to remain can it remain in the union?
Where is the strategy? Just one item on the strategy, just one would do!! Backed up with clear factual evidence. (without redactions)
Lets be honest the SG under NS are fucking it up, but at least they're fucking whilst being subsidised.
What happens when they're not being subsidised?

That's a decent value bet for Anas.

I would put Chris McEleny as odds on in W Scotland for Alba. He gave a lot of political clout to the campaign to force Swinney to change tack over the exam algorithm. Also possible effect of Derek MacKay and Mhairi Black and Flowjob etc on the 3 Renfrewshire seats.

@noego

Personalities don't mean a thing in my estimation. It is about the party and it's vision for the future and how that is communicated.

I watched the debate the other night and if that is the creme de la creme of Scottish politics then we're all in the shit whether independent or not.

What bothers me is that the right questions are not being asked of the parties that promote independence.

Considering the track record of the SNP in government.

Like for example NS. "Judge me on education" I'd love to but you on't publish the education report!!!!!!! or are there parts of it we're not supposed to see and are therefore being redacted?
Or the analysis of the GRA.
Or do you believe that the HCB is fit for purpose?

Or the health service is the biggest employer on Scotland, how do you propose to pay for that with all its running costs. I've got n inkling they'd privatise it.
Or do you believe that nationalising Scotrail is the right thing to do whilst recovering from a pandemic?
That's before we get into funding education, military or social services, prisons, police, etc.
What institution will underwrite the Scottish currency?
If one of the Isles votes to remain can it remain in the union?
Where is the strategy? Just one item on the strategy, just one would do!! Backed up with clear factual evidence. (without redactions)
Lets be honest the SG under NS are fucking it up, but at least they're fucking whilst being subsidised.
What happens when they're not being subsidised?

A massive yes to this.

The quality was very very low.

And why, oh why, does no one ever ask them those questions?

Because it's a heart not head decision. To ask just stokes the argument that opponents of Indy think Scots are incapable of running their country.

In fact the above post reeks of that sentiment.

@riverrunning

The Northumberland property market is booming as is happens.

Ha I can tell you why it's no shipping to Northern Ireland - commercial invoices are needed and most 'domestic' carriers are frantically scrambling to produce them. This is usually only needed for worldwide shipping and the requirements were confirmed so late everyone is playing catch-up.

I think there's extra issues with plants - EU rules around soil!

www.gardenforum.co.uk/headlines/why-cant-garden-centres-in-ni-buy-plants-seeds-from-gb/#:~:text=No%20plant%20may%20be%20sent,Northern%20Ireland%20and%20the%20EU.

But I suspect this isn't the only bonkers red tape, it's just the one I've become aware of.

There's also the paperwork disaster zone. I'd expect NI to start getting very fucked off very soon

I’d just like to know the benefits.

And the costs.

Other than “getting away from Tory/Westminster rule.

Actual tangible benefits

@SempreSuiGeneris

Because it's a heart not head decision. To ask just stokes the argument that opponents of Indy think Scots are incapable of running their country.

In fact the above post reeks of that sentiment.

I don't think Scots are incapable of running their country. I think our current politicians are dreadful though and I'd be very concerned about the reality of: a) any divorce deal they would negotiate b) how long it would take to negotiate that c) what sort of dreadful nonsense they would put in to any constitution d) the extent to which they would push EU membership at the expense of the relationship with the rUK e) their ability to fully manage the finances of the country - full autonomy over tax policy, borrowing, etc.

There are people in Scotland perfectly capable of managing the above. But I don't believe they're in power

The next question becomes why are they not in power? The next accusation is that Scots are too stupid to vote for competent people or society too corrupt for them to come forward. Of course all of these points and the original complaint about the quality of Holyrood politicians apply equally, arguably more so, to Westminster.

As I say @SempreSuiGeneris I want to know what the benefits are.

I will never vote for something when I don’t know what it is I’m voting for.

I don’t understand why no one will ever answer these basic questions.

It’s easy to vote for an ideal if you have nothing to lose.

I think that Westminster is not admirable, but there is definitely more breadth of ability across tge Commons and the Lords.

Though not in government at present!

So we're not allowed to criticise the quality of our politicians without being, what, anti-Scottish? Unpatriotic?

I'd like them to prove that they can run the country properly rather than constantly just laying blame elsewhere and ignoring the issues they have control of. Drug deaths for example, the narrative was all about them not being able to have the drugs rooms they wanted as it's controlled by Westminster. However, the other UK nations also don't have those and didn't have the same issues.

A well run country (I don't expect perfection cos where is?) would be a vote winner would it not?

Not surprised there are extra issues around soil, I wonder what the NI trade stats are, bet they're not looking good at all. These would be the trade 'frictions' we'll magically avoid.