The Fall Out Continues - thread 6

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I don't think I see what the relationship is between approval ratings and whether or not there are matters of concern.

I would be concerned about the SNP's record on education, the GRA and the HCB whether the government's approval ratings were 55% or 75% or 20%. If there's an issue that matters to people, it will matter to them whatever the broader political context, and I don't see any reason not to explore it and think through what it might mean, both for my own vote and for the possible directions in which others might go. And I say that as an SNP voter of twenty years standing.

@ATieLikeRichardGere are the SNP arguing that it would be unfair to rig the system to get more pro indy seats than the vote share would indicate? I mean I agree with that completely, just a bit surprised as they have no problem claiming to have an overwhelming mandate at Westminster on less than 50% of the vote because of FPTP.

@ATieLikeRichardGere

It seems like the SNP approach to the emergence of Alba is kind of from the cancel culture playbook so far. Some of the main points have been that Salmond is unfit and also that a supermajority is antidemocratic.

I posted earlier a tweet that referenced the 56 out of 59 MPs returned by SNP which was hailed as a 'triumph' not anti-democratic.

They're all over the place with their reactions. Lots of 'gotchas' that seem to fall apart fairly quickly with posts highlighting the hypocrisy from past claims of the SNP themselves.

Caroline McAllister the SNP Women's Convener is moving to Alba. Is that all the GC women from the new NEC intake now?

Looks like SNP are managing to get their desired purge of difficult women without having to actually enforce it themselves. There will be some in the party who are delighted

but still no joanna cherry yet.

If she stays in the SNP, she could have a shot at the top job at some point if NS resigns / is forced out - but I don't think that will happen.

If she jumps ship - she'll be in a party more aligned to her views, maybe experience less trolling and bullying, and have a chance of getting into holyrood, BUT it wouldn't be the main party.

Personally, I think she'd be better off jumping ship.

I have no time for Joanna Cherry. She's got a lot of fans on the feminist board because she's "gender critical". I think her support for Salmond makes her a big hypocrite so far as being a feminist.

If she jumps ship and doesn't get a Holyrood seat her political career is over. If she hangs fire in the SNP it might still be over but she'll have a chance when Sturgeon goes.

I could not care less what she does.

@ATieLikeRichardGere

It seems like the SNP approach to the emergence of Alba is kind of from the cancel culture playbook so far. Some of the main points have been that Salmond is unfit and also that a supermajority is antidemocratic.

If that is the SNP's position it will be the first time in my voting lifetime I've agreed with them. Both those things are true.

Whether you agree with the SNP on those things, there is some internal inconsistency there I think.

There is definitely a very real possibility of ending up with pro indy voices overrepresented compared to vote share, it just depends how the indy list vote splits.

It's gaming the system, but it just highlights that many systems are far from perfect. Look at the current Scottish representation in Westminster; under FPTP it's even worse.

It is particularly ironic to try and game the holy rood vote while complaining that their vote doesn't have any affect in Westminster.

Anyone else thinking that Salmond is playing a really long game here? He's urging people to vote SNP for their first vote and asking NS to work with him. If I was her I would be very very worried...

It's still dependent on Alba getting the votes. And in this election where it's very different & restricted in terms of engagement, there's still no guarantees there either.

The vibe from pro-SNP is one of betrayal. Lots of voters might feel that too so even with the big names, Alba might not fare as well as they'd hope. Where I think the difference might happen is in the leaflet posters, door steppers - the hard working campaigners & that's where I think the SNP have lost out. Lots of the people pissed off with the SNP were the grassroots activists, motivated to be out drumming up interest.

I'm leaning towards this blowing up in all their faces & unionist parties quietly hoovering up all the WTF voters who are looking on at the chaos & bitter sniping between the 2 factions in bewilderment.

But who knows 🤷🏻‍♀️

I really didn’t see the last few days coming so I’m going to have to reserve judgment on how this could play out. I think a lot can happen in 6 weeks.

@Graffitiqueen

Anyone else thinking that Salmond is playing a really long game here? He's urging people to vote SNP for their first vote and asking NS to work with him. If I was her I would be very very worried...

A bit. I also remember his Jacobite phrase when he lost his Westminster seat in 2017:

“false Whigs in the midst of your glee,
You’ve not seen the last o’ my bonnets and me”

He dedicated it to his campaign team in particular which hits a bit different now.

Anyway, Douglas Ross is quaking in his boots at the prospect of being on the same regional list as Alex.

@ATieLikeRichardGere

I really didn’t see the last few days coming so I’m going to have to reserve judgment on how this could play out. I think a lot can happen in 6 weeks.

It feels like a lifetime away!

The last 48 hrs have been frenetic.

I'm off to get on with some tidying up to disconnect a bit. It's been mental.

Douglas Ross isn't on the same List as AS. He's Highland and I think (?) AS is North East. Interesting that DR isn't standing in his WM constituency seat. Would be funny if the Conservatives did so well in the constituencies that he didn't get a List seat but unlikely.

Tommy and Gail Sheridan confirming on twitter they're voting SNP 1 and Alba 2 for the supermajority. So that's either a ringing endorsement or a damning indictment for both options.

Oops, I got the regions mixed up @SempreSuiGeneris. My bad.

I’m in DR Westminster seat, he squeaked in by the narrowest of margins. Said in the local press he was very, very nervous on the night of the count. (I lose track of where we are as regional seat because locally it feels much more like the North-East than Highlands and Islands. But then Moray as a political entity is a fairly recentgerrymandered invention. Lots of people won’t write Moray in addresses and insist on Banffshire).

He was on the local council here for a while before standing as an MSP then MP. He left the council just as it looked like the Tories would lose control.

Part of it’s the “rising star” thing but he does has form for jumping ship or making himself scarce to avoid hot water. Like missing an important vote for football match duties etc. He usually has somewhere else important to be when the going gets tough.

@ILikeTheWineNotTheLabel

Oops, I got the regions mixed up *@SempreSuiGeneris*. My bad.

I’m in DR Westminster seat, he squeaked in by the narrowest of margins. Said in the local press he was very, very nervous on the night of the count. (I lose track of where we are as regional seat because locally it feels much more like the North-East than Highlands and Islands. But then Moray as a political entity is a fairly recentgerrymandered invention. Lots of people won’t write Moray in addresses and insist on Banffshire).

He was on the local council here for a while before standing as an MSP then MP. He left the council just as it looked like the Tories would lose control.

Part of it’s the “rising star” thing but he does has form for jumping ship or making himself scarce to avoid hot water. Like missing an important vote for football match duties etc. He usually has somewhere else important to be when the going gets tough.

Does Moray come under Highlands and Islands for this election? So DR will be a list MSP for that whole area?

@StarryEyeSurprise Yes and yes

Yikes 😬

@HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee, you say “This and the previous threads reek of aren’t we sooooo clever. To see the fraudulent and nefarious activities of the SNP.”

Are you genuinely unconcerned that £600,000 raised from the public for a ringfenced Indyref account has disappeared from the SNP accounts and 3 members of the audit committee have resigned because they’re not allowed to see the books?

@StatisticallyChallenged

We are going to have a very entertaining election season:

NS: He's a twat!
AS: Vote for Nicola!

[quote Happinessisawarmcervix]@HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee, you say “This and the previous threads reek of aren’t we sooooo clever. To see the fraudulent and nefarious activities of the SNP.”

Are you genuinely unconcerned that £600,000 raised from the public for a ringfenced Indyref account has disappeared from the SNP accounts and 3 members of the audit committee have resigned because they’re not allowed to see the books?[/quote]
This isn't true.