The Fall Out Continues - thread 6

[TheShadowyFeminist]

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Anyone know who Scott Forbes is?

twitter.com/indyscotnews/status/1376125856322629635

No but I noticed that rumour having a Twitter resurgence today.

You want to know the identity of someone who’s posting gossip & rumour on Twitter?
Why? What’s it matter who it is
Clearly you think there’s substance to the gossip, or it just appeals to you as you dislike the subjects

@HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee

I suspect it’s really only some vociferous posters on this thread & media and political bods who’ll get aerated about all of this Meanwhile,in real life where people don’t hand wring or see dark conspiracies everything will just stoat along as per usual Alba are a mild distraction that’ll pop up but I genuinely don’t think it’s a significant threat to SNP. I am curious how Alba is funded where are the getting the finances from?

Expect SNP will maintain a majority

I suspect you are right and the SNP will gain a majority.

It delicious how rattled you all are though. 🍿🍿

Alba isn't trying to stop the SNP getting a majority - it's trying to make sure they do something useful with it once they have it. Who knows whether that will work or not.

I'm thinking the next few days are going to be a steady drip of candidate announcements

I've just read the interview in the Scotsman & thought it interesting some of the comments made & quotes from Sturgeon in this piece.

link to tweet with article

“There are some people, and they do tend to be men, whose egos don’t allow them to exit the stage when the time is right for the sake of other people and, I would argue, for his own dignity.”

“I was under no illusions last weekend,” she says. “If James Hamilton had found I meaningfully breached the Ministerial Code, I would have resigned.”

“She has a habit of diverting difficult questions back to Salmond. “

“Sturgeon says: “The good thing about [Salmond] now having his own party is I don’t have to spend much time talking about him or thinking about him any more.”

“I am the leader of the SNP. I am going to lead a positive campaign."

I have to laugh at the word 'meaningfully' being used when looking at the ministerial code breaches. Only 'meaningful' breaches prick her conscience enough to consider resigning...

Another journalist has said

"Nicola Sturgeon's complaints about Salmond's character would carry more weight if she hadn't spent 20 years working right beside him as her "inspiration".

Which is fair I think.

What is disappointing is, in the wide range of topics discussed, not one question to Sturgeon on Joanna Cherry & the abuse emanating from within her own party. As a 'feminist to her finger tips' I think she should explain why she's allowing this to continue unhindered, even while JC takes time out for health reasons.

@StatisticallyChallenged

I'm thinking the next few days are going to be a steady drip of candidate announcements

They'll max the publicity for that reason - once the deadline for candidates passes, then I think they'll lose that so are making hay while the sun shines.

Until this series of threads I had no idea some people are so rabid about Sturgeon
It’s derision on an industrial level that includes
Her attire
Her house
Her multiple shortcomings
Salacious Gossip
Jimmy Krankie shout out (of course)

Ohh and apparently public are too daft to see it. The public are the problem apparently. So Only the clever super duper people on this thread see the FM for the fraudulent supercharged harridan she is

This is an interesting post from twitter.

"I remember the SNP winning 56 out of 59 Scottish seats in 2015. This left almost 50% of Scottish voters unrepresented save by 3 MPs apiece.

The SNP did not call this "anti-democratic." We called it a triumph - because we were breaking a system designed to stop independence."

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It delicious how rattled you all are though.

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[quote OhBuggerandArse]Anyone know who Scott Forbes is?

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TBH I think it's probably best if we try to avoid this sort of gossip. It just winds up derailing the threads

Whichever view you take the independence movement has the wind behind it right now.

An interesting article in the times today about bullying in the Scottish Civil Service - link is to the archive version

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@StatisticallyChallenged

An interesting article in the times today about bullying in the Scottish Civil Service - link is to the archive version

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That's interesting and depressing both - with a proportion like that is seems likely that there significant numbers of complaints against current ministers. I'm sure everyone's been under strain this year, but it does add to the sense of there being stuff bubbling under the surface that may eventually escape.

@StatisticallyChallenged

An interesting article in the times today about bullying in the Scottish Civil Service - link is to the archive version

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That's quite damning isn't it?

So much focus on 1 man no longer in government & yet the problem is more pressing with those who are currently (well, til Parliament ended) in government.

More complaints against scotgov than the rest of the U.K. combined. Considering the Tories have just paid a huge sum in respect of a senior civil servant's claims of bullying by the Home Secretary, that's quite something.

Willie Rennie has shown up his rigorous arguments on tv today

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I think this is the article from last year which is referred to

archive.is/27XMN - Bullying complaints against Scots Ministers soar

"Dave Penman, leader of the FDA union for senior and middle management civil servants, said there had been 30 complaints by officials in five Scottish ministerial departments in the past 10 years.
In that period, “only a handful of issues have been raised within other government departments across our entire membership” throughout the UK. “It is quite extraordinary that there are more complaints about the Scottish government than all than all other UK government departments put together,” he said."

Heels where do you see the SNP gaining the extra seats to get a majority?

I don’t follow it to that level of detail, I’ve simply read/heard in media that snp will make potential gains
I’m not a member of any party nor am I affiliated to any party however I do think Ms Sturgeon is a capable FM and has done a good job

Until I participated in these threads I had no idea about the industrial level of derision and conspiracy towards FM
Sure I knew about the Jimmy Krankie put downs etc but the utter batshit Conspiracy & dark muttering. It’s risible

Problem with being a conspiracy theorist is they migrate towards and associate with other conspiracy theorists. It becomes an echo chamber

This and the previous threads reek of aren’t we sooooo clever. To see the fraudulent and nefarious activities of the SNP. The public are the problem apparently

It’s similar to the problems Labour Party got itself into under Corbyn, it became introverted and precocupied thus becoming detached form what public actually care about . Also LP largely ignored Scotland allowing SNP to fill that vacancy

@HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee would that be the echo chamber where you’ve just been asked about your post, and replied that you hadn’t been following things in that level of detail?

Followed by an off the point rant about all the evil Nicola haters 🤷🏻‍♀️

Not in the least. I’m not effusive or gushing like some posters on this thread
Not ranting but I am pointing out Cartoons, Twitter gossip, suggestions of scurrilous behaviours all copiously liked and talked about on this thread

I have also not said that the public are a problem
The public vote for SNP and FM because they overall are on board with the policies .Approval rating 55%

Anecdotal, but my Indy voting friends not seeming keen on Salmond

@HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee not sure where you've been. Perhaps in your own echo chamber, but most of the posters on here have been prolific since 2014 talking about Scottish politics. Your snidely wee post is not going to shut us up we've seen it all before.

It seems like the SNP approach to the emergence of Alba is kind of from the cancel culture playbook so far. Some of the main points have been that Salmond is unfit and also that a supermajority is antidemocratic.