The Fall Out Continues - thread 6

[TheShadowyFeminist]

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Not seen anything about any manifestos yet. Are they obliged to publish once the deadline on deposits passes? I'm wondering if any will try & hold off til Alba has published theirs. Or if it's too late/they wouldn't change anything anyway.

apparently ALBA have confirmed they will defend sex based rights

munches popcorn

Sex based rights unless AS gets involved in some non criminal but “inappropriate” behaviour

But at least it demonstrates that they see there’s a problem with the woke lunacy

It's an odd situation having Salmond be head of a party that seemingly will advocate for women's sex based rights. But I think it's a mistake for opponents to try and make something of this i.e. some how mock or 'shame' them for it. The party isn't just Salmond & I'd need to be convinced why single sex spaces & rights granted to women under the EA2010 shouldn't be supported. Because if they want to get into that fight then I don't think it'll turn out to be the gotcha some might think.

I would guess that on the list AS has a good chance of ending up in the Gov. That's going to be very entertaining I think when he calls out NS on stuff (gender etc) - the SNP MPs are bound to follow the party agenda (as I understand it) so never arguments. Whilst Cons in Westminster argue Cons decisions.
As he is in a different party AS won't be bound by SNP rules.
Should be fun.
I saw NS on the news yesterday and she had huge bags under her eyes. She and hubby have been out-manouevred here.

@WouldBeGood

Sex based rights unless AS gets involved in some non criminal but “inappropriate” behaviour

I bet he knows exactly what a woman is...

Anyone else spot this?

Photo of Sturgeon's conservatory, the same one Murrell was in for his 2nd evidence session. The position of the laptop stand seems to be in the eye line of where magpies gather...🤔🤐

and there is clearly a gap in the market for pro-indy or indy-curious Labour folk who would never vote SNP for historical reasons.

There might be a gap in the market but I don't see Alba filling it. AS and his brand of SNP being the primary historical reason. The SNP are finally coming up against the issue the Labour Party always faced. If you please the Central Belt you annoy the rest of the country and vice versa.

This is like a line from The Thick
of It or something.

Interview with Sturgeon in the SOS, headline about Salmond, peppered with digs & slights against Salmond and Sturgeon says this:

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*TheShadowyFeminist we've got six weeks to go of this"

Scottish politics is now so toxic, it wastes vast amounts of time and public funds in dealing with the fallout. The way the country is governed - centralising everything from the police to the education system - ironically makes the state and government at times more isolated from the electorate than Westminster.

A lot of the blame for this lies at the hands of the Snp. They seem to have deliberately adopted policies, and legislation, designed to control people and stifle opposition. Their control enables them to cover up infirnation which should be public.

Our everyday lives are now constantly being disrupted by this never ending saga of political infighting. It certainly doesnt benefit inward investment, business continuity, education, etc.

The SNP don't "play fair". Everything is justified by the rush towards indy. Every underhand, dirty tactic. Scotland has had some genuine politicians who would be turning in their graves at this behaviour but this must be putting decent people from going into politics.

@SempreSuiGeneris

and there is clearly a gap in the market for pro-indy or indy-curious Labour folk who would never vote SNP for historical reasons.

There might be a gap in the market but I don't see Alba filling it. AS and his brand of SNP being the primary historical reason. The SNP are finally coming up against the issue the Labour Party always faced. If you please the Central Belt you annoy the rest of the country and vice versa.

I agree. Indy leaning Labour would be a better fit with the SNP under sturgeon.

I think there's a lot of malaise in where the SNP is now - they've been in power a long time, and grown complacent of both the electorate & their claim to that power. It's like they don't think they need to work for it at all, as the polls basically tell them they've got enough support no matter what. And that is ultimately their main issue

Spot on, @TheShadowyFeminist . I remember about 10-12 years ago the Labour MPs/MSPs being so sneery about SNP's chances. They were untouchable. They had got into such a state of complacency that they didn't even try, whether that was in the parliaments or in the constituencies. (and there was a lot of truth in the saying, put a red rosette on a cabbage and it will get elected). I'm seeing exactly the same behaviour from the SNP now.

On a different note, I tuned into Joan McAlpine's fundraiser last night and Kate Forbes was speaking. So impressive: gave a structured, cogent, positive case for SNP votes. It really shows up the likes of NS, Blackford, Stewart McD, Alyn Smith.

I've been wondering what Kate Forbes will do if Alba gain enough traction.

Wonder how Mr Murrell's Malcolm Tucker impression goes.

There’s precious little dignity or class about this now open bitching about each other.

I'm not sure sturgeon attacking Salmond saying he makes grand promises he can't deliver is going to be a winning strategy. 🤔

@Graffitiqueen

I'm not sure sturgeon attacking Salmond saying he makes grand promises he can't deliver is going to be a winning strategy. 🤔

Yeah, that's just asking to be turned in to a meme/video reel of her failures to deliver isn't it?

@Graffitiqueen

I'm not sure sturgeon attacking Salmond saying he makes grand promises he can't deliver is going to be a winning strategy. 🤔

I don't think I can cope with 6 weeks of this

@GreenlandTheMovie

*TheShadowyFeminist we've got six weeks to go of this"

Scottish politics is now so toxic, it wastes vast amounts of time and public funds in dealing with the fallout. The way the country is governed - centralising everything from the police to the education system - ironically makes the state and government at times more isolated from the electorate than Westminster.

A lot of the blame for this lies at the hands of the Snp. They seem to have deliberately adopted policies, and legislation, designed to control people and stifle opposition. Their control enables them to cover up infirnation which should be public.

Our everyday lives are now constantly being disrupted by this never ending saga of political infighting. It certainly doesnt benefit inward investment, business continuity, education, etc.

The SNP don't "play fair". Everything is justified by the rush towards indy. Every underhand, dirty tactic. Scotland has had some genuine politicians who would be turning in their graves at this behaviour but this must be putting decent people from going into politics.

This is exactly how I feel.

I’d love to see an analysis of how much the Scottish government has cost since inception versus the value of the benefit that is has delivered to the people of Scotland.

Education? Nope! It has gone from high respected to an utter joke.
Health? Still the unhealthiest population in the UK.
Public services? Genuinely have no clue what benefit the Scottish government have brought here.
COVID response? Despite the toughest lockdown conditions in the UK we still have the highest COVID rates. How does that even happen?
Vaccine rollout? Lagging against the rest of the UK.

So...an Indy “supermajority” terrifies me. It’s not like we have demonstrated competence thus far...why on earth would that change post Indy?

It will be quite ironic if the attempt to boost Indy MSPs ends up boosting the unionist vote & MSPs instead. Which could happen.

The SNP are doing their best to kill off the other Indy list vote & by doing so, killing off the cautious Indy & unsure voters. Instead of presenting a positive Indy 'vision' and ignoring what's going on elsewhere.

AS quote re NS today “I believe that she should be the First Minister because the SNP should win a handsome majority. She is the only viable independence candidate and therefore she is the best one".

Shots fired. She's now on notice if she doesn't win an SNP majority in her own right she's toast.

We are going to have a very entertaining election season:

NS: He's a twat!
AS: Vote for Nicola!

I’ve just had to google the magpies thing!

@StatisticallyChallenged

We are going to have a very entertaining election season:

NS: He's a twat!
AS: Vote for Nicola!

Meanwhile everyone else is 🥱

I suspect it’s really only some vociferous posters on this thread & media and political bods who’ll get aerated about all of this
Meanwhile,in real life where people don’t hand wring or see dark conspiracies everything will just stoat along as per usual
Alba are a mild distraction that’ll pop up but I genuinely don’t think it’s a significant threat to SNP. I am curious how Alba is funded where are the getting the finances from?

Expect SNP will maintain a majority