Tieriffic or tierifying ... who knows!

[dancemom]

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What's all this about still staying within your own LA? I was hoping they'd relax that at least. I mean, we've been everywhere that we can legally go to 100times and we are now climbing the walls.

Sod that for a game of soldiers. There's just 2 of us, so god alone knows how you folk with kids are coping.

We won't be staying in our local authority as far as I know it's a message, not law. So I'm not doing it anymore. Not going wild by any means but still being "naughty"

I think the stay local will be guidance from Friday. I could be wrong though. Also bbc cut it off after their questions so can't see the rest.

I just think 'don't feel guilty'. If you're going to, it'll ruin it for you.

I've always operated within the rules, but if things are open and available I will use them up the limits of the guidelines. So I shopped, I ate out, I had coffee in coffee shops, I have a hair appointment for next week. She wouldn't open them if they weren't deemed relatively low risk so don't feel guilty about doing it.

I can't be doing with the 'well I've not been further than my front garden since the first cases were confirmed in Wuhan' brigade*. Don't go out if you don't want to go out but don't make the rest of us feel guilty for doing what we're allowed to do.

There are no changes, @UnderHisAye. She's trying to kid us that she's opening up massively by allowing click and collect on Monday and trips to the garden centre.

Meanwhile, people in Wales are free to travel anywhere in the country and have self-catering holidays in household groups, people in England can meet another household group in their gardens, and all children are back to school full time.

@Haudyourwheesht

I just think 'don't feel guilty'. If you're going to, it'll ruin it for you.

I've always operated within the rules, but if things are open and available I will use them up the limits of the guidelines. So I shopped, I ate out, I had coffee in coffee shops, I have a hair appointment for next week. She wouldn't open them if they weren't deemed relatively low risk so don't feel guilty about doing it.

I can't be doing with the 'well I've not been further than my front garden since the first cases were confirmed in Wuhan' brigade*. Don't go out if you don't want to go out but don't make the rest of us feel guilty for doing what we're allowed to do.

The asterisk was supposed to be for the obligatory 'unless you're vulnerable', before I get pounced on.

@Haudyourwheesht I agree with you. I do everything I can when it's open! It's the message that just irritates me though. I appreciate I could just switch off and not bother but I don't.

On another note what is this obsession with garden centres? I feel like they have become this huge thing and I don't understand why

@ICouldHaveCheckedFirst

What's all this about still staying within your own LA? I was hoping they'd relax that at least. I mean, we've been everywhere that we can legally go to 100times and we are now climbing the walls.

Sod that for a game of soldiers. There's just 2 of us, so god alone knows how you folk with kids are coping.

We're not coping. I have an almost 16 year old upstairs who has been in school for about 2 hours a week since senior years "went back" and who is an anxious mess about her upcoming assessments as the SQA and Scot Gov keep changing the goalposts.

Will I be letting her see her friends inside and doing whatever she wants over the holidays? Of course I will.

Well, that was all pretty pointless. I'm not loving the messaging either. If they are worried about everyone mobbing garden centres without regard for distancing and so on because it's the only thing even bordering on fun and novel to do then maybe focus on why that may be, rather than making people feel guilty for doing something that is now allowed!

isurvive I don't know about the garden centres either! I think they skirt the boundary between essential (plants, garden maintenance stuff) and non essential (scented candles, bamboo flamingos and luxury sheds) and people going to buy the former are wasting time and spreading the virus by browsing the latter. So no different from B and M/ the range or similar, which have been open. But they seem to be viewed as a more middle class and frivolous thing than browsing the middle isle in aldi for some reason. Frankly I'm not interested until I can have a scone and a cup of coffee en route.

Besides, the response from NS Nicola re Covid rule breaches by SNP ministers John Swinney and Graeme Dey: "They are pretty mortified"

So travel outside your council cages and if you’re caught, delete all tweets and just say you’re mortified. That seems to work.

Ha! Yes, mortified at being caught, I've no doubt.

Haha I will be mortified most days then 😂 god they are an embarrassment

@RaspberryCoulis

There are no changes, *@UnderHisAye*. She's trying to kid us that she's opening up massively by allowing click and collect on Monday and trips to the garden centre.

Meanwhile, people in Wales are free to travel anywhere in the country and have self-catering holidays in household groups, people in England can meet another household group in their gardens, and all children are back to school full time.

And all self catering in England open from the 12th, just in time for school Easter hols, allowing families to travel across counties to stay near family, meet them safely outside. All outdoor settings in restaurants, pubs and cafes can serve from that day too.

Meantime, we’re being served with guilt if we ‘dare to Dobbies’ outside a council area.

Oh my @Bytheloch that’s quite the contrast with England now.

An Easter holiday trip/cafe/restaurant would really have been cheering

Reading the BBC update - I'll make sure to be hyper vigilant when I cross my city boundary to see what reduced price chocolates I can buy from Dobbies with my pal then shall I ?

Quite right, Raspberry. I would too in you shoes.

Personally, can't wait to get to an NTS garden or something just for a change (none close enough to do so within the law, currently) but I'll let other people mob Dobbies on the first day it's allowed. That's me doing my own risk assessment. I can confidently identify a queue and choose not to join it, but I resent not being able to go for a walk somewhere I haven't been for 6 months.

The rules were daft anyway: if you live in Balloch, you could legally visit Bearsden, but not vice versa we may have ignored the law . I don't know how the virus keeps up with who it can and can't infect .

I'm also never 100% sure what's in Glasgow and what's not. There's a Renfrewshire sign on the way to Paisley but I'm never that clear about other authorities. Ayr beach is in Glasgow, isn't it?

@Haudyourwheesht I go by the rule if it's a G postcode it's in Glasgow 🤷🏻‍♀️

I feel down about it again. Boris J clarified that people were allowed to have day trips to the beach, just to be sensible, limit who you interact with. Sturgeon is still saying stay put. And as someone who runs, cycles and has two young kids, so we spend a lot of time taking them outdoors for walks etc, I don't understand what difference Stay Local means.

I thought there might be more commentary about it being guidance rather than law. Maybe that's in the small print, but as people who like to think we are law abiding and decent members of society, we don't want to get into trouble/ piss anyone off, by visiting rellies or places outside our local council during the looong school holiday ahead. See all the people on the beach in wales (I know it's hot there!) And knowing Scotland has been strict with lockdowns makes me feel we're like naughty school children being collectively punished.

No, I'm not sure what legal footing "stay local" has. I had understood it would be guidance rather than law, but the bit on the SG website
I've found it so you don't have to says
Restrictions on non-essential travel across local authority boundaries will remain in place. People must stay within their council area for non-essential shopping and should only travel to another area for essential shopping if there are no practical alternatives.
Which sounds a bit enforceable to me.

I'd love a bit of positivity and recognition that we are now more restricted than the rest of the UK, but there is good reason for that there isn't. Because, frankly the stricter lockdown has had no impact on relative case numbers or hospitalisations or deaths which are either worse than or on a par with the rest of the UK now. Also, I'd like it to be warmer, but realise that isn't strictly the SGs fault.

[quote dancemom]@Haudyourwheesht I go by the rule if it's a G postcode it's in Glasgow 🤷🏻‍♀️[/quote]
This sounds fair to me!

I don't really get the stay local either. I want to cross our local authority boundary to visit my elderly parents who we haven't seen since November. I can't see the harm if we stay outdoors and socially distance as we've been working from home and teenage DS off school since before Christmas with the exception of 1.5 hours a week of outdoor wellbeing activities.

As I see it, we will be potentially more of a threat when DS returns to school after Easter and everyone had been out clicking and collecting and getting their hair done. No-one seems concerned by potential virus spread through election campaigning. Feel like a mug staying at home to give politicians 'headroom' to be out and about every day.

@Haudyourwheesht I go by the rule if it's a G postcode it's in Glasgow 🤷🏻‍♀️

Technically not true when it comes to Braehead shopping centre as it's got a G postcode but technically in Renfrewshire according to this website

www.geopunk.co.uk/

I think a lot of people in my LA have been ignoring the stay at home bit for at least 6 weeks but we live in a huge LA so it's day trips everywhere for "exercise"

Garden centres are seen as mental health supporting like exercise after last year's lock down hence they are a big deal for pension voters

I really don't understand the guilt trip I didn't catch covid from our walks out and about but from DS nursery!

Did she mention schools today?