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The Tierany of Tiers

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dancemom · 11/03/2021 18:39

Teirtastic times ahead ....

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WaxOnFeckOff · 13/03/2021 19:50

@dancemom

Really *@WaxOnFeckOff* I'm there 3 times a week 😳
Yes, but Braehead is worse, are they also a Rangers area or is there a different reason?
WaxOnFeckOff · 13/03/2021 19:51

This info is all available on Travelling Tabby in case anyone thinks I have a secret source or am revealing unknown info Smile

Lidlfix · 13/03/2021 19:56

Braehead and the school were hotspots before the weekend. So football can't really be blamed there.

All the hubs in Stirling had cases before the phased return.

Suntimesahead · 13/03/2021 19:58

I also want the game stopped. Though I think it’ll hurt her at the polls if she does. But then again do those numpties even vote?
Our village has had no cases for a month but we will be counted into our high case neighbours I bet.

mibbelucieachwell · 13/03/2021 20:14

AgentCooper. I actually think I could write a PhD thesis called something along the lines of,

'Football :everything that's wrong with Western Culture'

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who it enrages. The whole football scene is disgraceful. It's corrupt (this has been proven), it dominates everything - eg, once I got a ticket for parking on an unmarked street before the temporary no-parking sign cos a match was going to be played later that day, traffic police give priority to cars leaving football stadium, holding up the other traffic, tv schedules are changed to show matches and broadcast the matches before they've even started, it's deemed acceptable for fans to be upset if their team loses -eh, maybe grow up please, the term football usually refers to men's football, claiming to support a football team is meant to signify being in touch with ordinary folks even though plenty of other pursuits are more popular, everyone is terrified of violent fans, the players are ridiculously overpaid, season tickets cost a fortune, clubs screw their supporters for as much money as they can for kits etc, our most senior politicians are absolutely desperate to be seen to be supporters, to the extent that they allowed matches when almost nothing else was allowed and do absolutely nothing to stop the players and fans breaking the rules. The players are synonymous with bad behaviour.
It's like a cult, excessive, bullying and out of control. And predominately male.

AgentCooper · 13/03/2021 20:23

@mibbelucieachwell I agree with everything you’ve said. I was at primary school with the younger siblings of Mark Scott, who was killed in a sectarian attack in the mid 90s. I just remember seeing his mum at a school mass one day afterwards, hugging the head teacher. Her hand was all bandaged up and my friend’s mum told me years later that she’d put it through a window.

That memory is one of the many, many reasons I despise the old firm.

mibbelucieachwell · 13/03/2021 20:23

wax I almost hope you're right and football fans aren't causing the spike, because the fury I have at the thought of football fans; the most pandered to group, causing a spike resulting in restrictions for longermust be unhealthy frankly. I know the Stirling area has had higher numbers for a while, however, it won't have been only rangers fans who were gathering inside to watch the match. I really do now think the match is contributing to the recent increase. To what extent is unclear obviously. I can't think they're going to fess up to the track and trace people though.

How frustrating for everyone whose children have been sent home from school.

mibbelucieachwell · 13/03/2021 20:29

agentcooper. That's horrific.

WaxOnFeckOff · 13/03/2021 20:29

Honestly, I have no idea if the football is involved or not but it can't be the only reason as figures have been high for ages, seems to be each section of the area is having it's turn of being high and some more than one turn.

We've just had a group of about 25 -30 older teenagers making a lot of noise and hanging around in the estate, shouting, screaming and running about. People are doing all sorts of stuff they aren't supposed to but I can't see that it's any different here than anywhere else.

dancemom · 13/03/2021 21:26

I don't know about Braehead, although I live in Glasgow I'm not originally from here so the whole sectarian thing just bemuses me.

Schools / football / vaccination freedom whatever it is I hope it stays under control and doesn't disrupt the lifting of restrictions

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Scottishskifun · 13/03/2021 21:29

@MotherofTerriers the old tier system is unlikely to be the new tier system which has yet to be announced. Its due on Tuesday so currently nobody knows as it looks like they will expand the general areas from council to health authorities or wider

MotherofTerriers · 13/03/2021 22:05

[quote Scottishskifun]@MotherofTerriers the old tier system is unlikely to be the new tier system which has yet to be announced. Its due on Tuesday so currently nobody knows as it looks like they will expand the general areas from council to health authorities or wider[/quote]
Thanks, that’s reassuring

SempreSuiGeneris · 13/03/2021 23:37

Pillar 1 testing in Scotland - so clinical setting is up roughly 50% on last week. Pillar 1 is what generally drives case increases. No idea why they have increased hospital testing so much given hospitalisation numbers down. Could be related to rolling out 2nd vaccine dose?

Scottishskifun · 14/03/2021 07:20

@SempreSuiGeneris

Pillar 1 testing in Scotland - so clinical setting is up roughly 50% on last week. Pillar 1 is what generally drives case increases. No idea why they have increased hospital testing so much given hospitalisation numbers down. Could be related to rolling out 2nd vaccine dose?
You need to have a negative test for surgery so wonder if it's related to this?
runningpink · 14/03/2021 08:00

Is there somewhere to see what the potential health authorities areas could be?
Is that to do with shared hospitals between different council areas? Sorry for the stupid question

SempreSuiGeneris · 14/03/2021 08:14

You need to have a negative test for surgery so wonder if it's related to this?

Don't think so. Just to give an indication. England did 74k Pillar 1 tests on 10/3. Scotland did 18k. On a per capita basis you would expect Scotland to be 10% of England.

Scotland's pillar 1 testing is lumpy whereas England's is much more even so partly this. However Scotland is doing an average of upwards of 10k pillar 1 per day where England is around 65k. Prevalence levels are similar.

Headline testing level figures are obscured by the amount of asymptomatic community testing England are doing. (total tests per day for England at 1.5m versus 25k in Scotland.)

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing?areaType=nation&areaName=Scotland

Just a bit frustrated about all the discussion looking for culprits to blame small relative increases on when the far more likely explanation is lumpy test processing and the distorting effect of small areas.

eg Fallin mentioned above has a population below 3k. One family of 4 testing positive would report as 130 cases per 100k.

UnderHisAye · 14/03/2021 09:45

Exactly the same as my town; we had a family of four test positive last week after a full month of suppressed numbers and the stats go through the bloody roof.

It's very depressing.

Scottishskifun · 14/03/2021 10:05

@runningpink

Is there somewhere to see what the potential health authorities areas could be? Is that to do with shared hospitals between different council areas? Sorry for the stupid question
public.tableau.com/profile/phs.covid.19#!/vizhome/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview has the data by health boards including the rate.

It's based on the NHS trust the vaccination map shows where the different health boards are.

runningpink · 14/03/2021 10:07

Thanks Scottish I will have a wee look

icanboogieboogiewoogie · 14/03/2021 10:14

The very detailed, tiny area stats on travelling tabby are fascinating. You could go down a rabbit hole and be there some time. It's so interesting how areas can go from top ten to down in the hundreds in the space of a week.

mibbelucieachwell · 14/03/2021 10:53

sempresuigeneris

Yes. The absolute numbers are tiny and being processed and reported on every day is bound to result in lumpiness. I get that. Translating into rates per 100k per week magnifies this, in my opinion. And makes the situation seem worse.

A lot of my frustration is that more information about the source of cases isn't made more public but the government repeatedly tell us it's up to every single one of us to keep the numbers down. Honestly, this is gaslighting. Whether an individual stays at home or has an illegal trip to see someone in a different area outside will make no difference to the case numbers. But lack of effective procedures for careers, health workers, work places etc will. This is down to the decisions the government takes, not the individual. And it's the same with decisions about football being allowed. The thought of continued restrictions being the price of people gathering cos football is really annoying.

GreenlandTheMovie · 14/03/2021 11:13

There's such an endemic bad attitude towards sports and fitness in Scotland. Football has been effectively allowed to take over city centres for so long now. But try organising a one off local triathlon or running event! You need permission from the local police force to pay them for a small presence, and quite often they refuse it. Even though organisers time it so that everything will be finished by 9.30am on a Sunday morning... Some areas are better than others, but you can forget about it in other areas. But football matches are tolerated.

Even park run. A few people complained to the council about the sight of runners on a Saturday morning, even though it took place on a beach with parallel paths providing an alternative to walk on. So the start had to be moved and now there are no toilets near the start. The original start was about 600m from a football stadium, whose supporters regularly take over much of the city centre.

The covid point is that competitive sport and group training has been banned off and on for over a year now in Scotland. Last summer, we had the farcical situation of being allowed to meet strangers in pubs to drink alcohol while swimming and gyms were closed. Only in Scotland. Scotland was the only country in the world to have such a bizarre set up.

It continued for months. National sports bodies pleaded endlessly with the Scottish government to permit some form of limited socially distanced competition, spending funds doing research and putting forwards cases, only to be completely ignored in the arrogant, high handed way that the Scottish government seems to specialise in.

Eventually, after a summer of pubs being open and associated localised spikes in cases, limited number, socially isolated competitive sport was allowed to resume at the end of September, just in time for winter, only to close down again in December.

But football matches still go ahead. We have elite Scottish athletes such as Laura Muir and Jemma Reekie, who are leading Olympic contenders, unable to train abroad in warm weather or at altitude unlike their competitors from the rest of the world. We have others like Eilish McColgan effectively living out of a suitcase as there's no point in her returning home. The Scottish government could have exempted elite athletes from the travel ban in this Olympic year.

At a lower level, I'm a keen runner and I normally take my holidays in winter to train abroad in the sun. I'm really disciplined, but with no group training or competitions allowed, and gyms and swimming pools closed, no sports massage permitted, etc, I've found it impossible to keep up my usyal fitness level. I've been injured trying to train in the cold when I'd normally have benefitted from 10 days in the south of Spain or Tenerife. Goodness knows how people with less discipline are coping with weight control, eating and drinking too much, and so on. It seems a government policy guaranteed to send rates of type 2 diabetes and heart disease through the roof.

This old fashioned thinking makes me wonder if the Scottish government actually hate sport - except that is for make dominated football of course.

OldRailer · 14/03/2021 11:17

There seems to have been zero attention paid to the underlying health of the population that's for sure.

speedtalker · 14/03/2021 11:27

The lack of enthusiasm for promoting sport has infuriated me. Obesity has been shown to be the highest risk factor in being seriously ill. Even Boris Johnson after his Covid experience was pushing it. We know outdoor transmission is negligible. We should be making sport and exercise as attractive as possible.

OldRailer · 14/03/2021 11:30

Yes to that.

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