To InfiniTier and beyond ....

[dancemom]

Tiers, tiers and more tears ....

Scottishskifun that's awful I'm sorry

I could understand right at the beginning when people were frightened, masks weren't being worn or available but not now months into it.

@Lockdownbear

Definitely given few shits about mums esp in Scotland. England have allowed new parents to have a support bubble. And they kept nurseries open through this last lockdown. Seriously how are parents meant to work and homeschool and care for LOs?

I do think empathy and understanding that little children will not entertain themselves for hours has been sadly lacking in Scotland.

BJ may or may not be a hands on Dad but 6 weans to his name he understands that little people shouldn't just be plonked in front of CBEEBIES all day.

I think this one is six and half a dozen.

At least in Scotland kids have been able to mix pretty much all the way through since last summer. English kids still can't do that now. And them counting towards the household numbers severely restricts mixing, whereas my three kids and I could/can meet up with my mum, or another friend with kids if we want.

@Scottishskifun it's appalling and I'm so sorry you had to go through that. It's also a total postcode lottery - for example our hospital allows partners into scans.

Maybe Scotland has been better for older kids, but for mums England has been better.
Meeting at the park is great but it didn't help in those dark January days when LO just wasn't getting out the house as I was trying to HS and WFH.

The rule of 6 from 6 households is better for older kids to meet their pals rather than 6 from 2 households. Remember 12 year olds could only meet one other friend.

And one other friend outdoors, in winter, with everything shut 🤷🏻‍♀️

And in England nothing 🤷🏻‍♀️

There aren't any great options really are there?

Sorry I think that's incorrect, I've lost the plot with the rules in Scotland never mind England!

Thanks yes sadly also a postcode lottery.
For me the excuse for everything seems to be we aren't allowed covid....

But covid is here to stay and yes it needs to be controlled but we also need to give people support and dignity back. Not leave them to get through stuff on their own and just blanket say covid.

We have had this virus for over a year now. It never fully went away even in summer - the genome sequencing showed that.

So we need to learn to adapt so that we don't destroy people and kindness.
I'm truly appalled by some of the lack of human decency towards others that this pandemic seems to have brought out.

Yeah, I really struggle with it, I can absolutely see the logic in dealing with Covid first, as that leads to everything else being resolved too.

But the cost in the meantime gets harder to swallow as time goes on. I mean, personally it's no big deal for me to wait it all out for a few more months; on the other hand there's been no cases in my town did about three weeks, so why are we all staying in all the time?! For those who are lonely or vulnerable it must be infinitely more difficult.

Really awful, I'm so sorry. How can this be a proportionate measure?

@goldengoldfish

Really awful, I'm so sorry. How can this be a proportionate measure?

No idea. I completely understand limiting numbers in hospitals and protecting staff but I strongly disagree with making women go through really tough experiences completely alone.

Many NHS trusts are also refusing surgical management of miscarriages under a GA during lock down at the moment due to covid (despite needing to have a negative test) so again more trauma for women whilst Covid is given as the reason.

Thats awful that women are having to go through that without a GA.

@Scottishskifun I’m so sorry you went through that alone. There was a piece on Woman’s Hour in the autumn where several women shared similar experiences and it was heartbreaking. I cried the whole way through. Not allowing women surgical management under GA is beyond cruel.

These things should never be forgotten.

This is one of the reasons why extending lock down makes me very frustrated. Its not just about shops.
When covid and lock down effects health care, dentist treatment, the care options for women going through miscarriage, mental health help with support groups shut, the list effected is massive.
For me the main risk groups are now vaccinated which we know very soon will have between 80-94% reduction on the risk of serious covid. Hospital numbers are reducing so they should look at what health care restrictions they can ease.

I'm not Scottish, but a bit of DNA somewhere

Just wanted to say what insspired thread titles, I'm loving seeing them.

As you were

Thats it though, some of the mitigations put in place have been so cruel, and barbaric.
It is impossible to rationalise things like banning dads from the EPU, stopping multiple members of family seeing their dying loved ones in hospital, banning care home visitors etc.

Honestly tears in my eyes thinking about some of the stories I have heard this year. I think as time goes on the harms of some of the mitigations may become more clear.
Last year I struggled as we moved into May and the cases dropped away, but still we were locked down. This time I feel the same way, as cases drop the harms from lockdown become proportionately more, and in my opinion much harder to justify.

was watching the news. wee old man with dementia not understanding why he can't see his daughters. Its awful. I am so glad all my GPs passed away pre pandemic (DHs GPs too)

My friend's dad was like that. He thought he'd done something to upset his family since they wouldn't come in his house or hug him, ended up dying (not covid) during lockdown so was still thinking that. His dementia got really bad as all his normal routines were taken away.

@WaxOnFeckOff the poor soul. I am so thankful my wee granny didn’t live to see this. When it comes to anything not-Covid the vulnerable elderly population has been treated like garbage. I still can’t think too long about my FIL getting it from a home carer because it upsets me too much. He couldn’t leave the house, he was a sitting duck.

AgentCooper

Has anyone modelled the effects of various levels/types of lockdown? If not why not? If they have why are their projections not in the public domain? We hear plenty about projected Covid levels and effects.

Well I lost the plot this morning when I realised DS couldn’t get his feet measured /shoes professionally fitted because children’s feet measuring is not allowed under the Covid rules. I know you can print off gauges from Start rite etc but he has problems with his gait / feet anyway and we were told by the hospital to be careful about shoes / support and needed professional fitting to help with his issues. So I am doing my best to try and identify the problem but it’s not as simple as needing a bigger size.

Sent a rant-y email to MSP saying it was ridiculous and then so many aspects of my son’s health had been neglected over last year because of COViD - dermatology referral but no actual booking of appointments meaning he has had an undiagnosed skin condition for 17 months now, delayed dental checks, delayed eye test, problems getting glasses that fit (less choice because of COVID) and now he’s got increasing issues with his feet. It’s a bloody disgrace children and young people and new mums, pregnant women have been treated so badly throughout. Then I hear that 40% of vaccinated older people are not following the rules …

@mibbelucieachwell
good point. For me one of the key issues is Scotland went for longer and harder lockdown during the first one yet we ended up in pretty much the same position as England regardless

Yes and we're now pursuing a strategy of zero covid that will not work because we border with England and are not self sufficient for produce.
I just don't understand how this can be allowed. We're part of the the UK, how is it legal for us to have more restrictions. I can understand now as we're still in the pandemic situation, but once adult population is vaccinated and numbers are low, how can it be legal for us to have less rights than our English counterparts?

Forget being attached to England I can't count England bound vehicles. I can only count the European ones.

On very short stretch of the M74 I drove it Saturday, Tuesday and Wednesday every day I drove it, either on my way out or my way back I've spotted a European vehicle.
DH did the run yesterday and spotted one.

Zero covid is a pointless pipe dream. I can't blame older vaccinated people ignoring the rules. And I'll have a fair bet the NHS workers who are vaccinated will be doing the same.

@makingitupaswegoon it might be worth contacting a local independent shoe shop. Ours drops off the gauge to you and asks to send videos of them walking then recommends a few different options. It's still far from ideal but might be worth seeing if one of them around you does the same. We ended up buying a foot gauge in the end.

Definitely agree that it's horrendous though!