To InfiniTier and beyond ....

[dancemom]

Tiers, tiers and more tears ....

Crossed there - yes and was doing that last night but I was tired and just did something else but expected all to be fine today

Annoying! Yes, Tabby at three I suppose.

@Scottishskifun it's not a lot at all. You would assume as well that if we could address mental health properly then it would save the NHS money in other areas. Things like obesity, self harm, suicide attempts, eating disorders could all be helped if we got to the root of it.

The suicide rates will be horrific. But even worse a friend of a friends suicide was apparently listed as covid rather than self harm.

If they have covered stuff like that up its horrific.

Well...who would 'they' be in that case though? You'd be asking an awful lot of medical staff/police/Procurator Fiscals etc to collude in breaking the law by falsifying death certificates.

The dashboard page eventually came up with this message:

This page no longer exists. Find something new in the gallery or authors.

I just got that too. Somebody is sitting at their desk frantically trying to fix it right now, shitting themselves.

In a previous job, a guy in IT deleted our entire website, for which there was no back-up. We spent a horrible week trying to remember what pages we had and what the content of each was...

I still have horrors about website issues

[quote kurtrussellsbeard]@Scottishskifun it's not a lot at all. You would assume as well that if we could address mental health properly then it would save the NHS money in other areas. Things like obesity, self harm, suicide attempts, eating disorders could all be helped if we got to the root of it.
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Yep especially when you compare total costs to other elements....
So mental health provision - 139.2 million, digital health and care - 112.5 million....

So not dissimilar except digital health is in online appointments/data dashboards etc as far as I can tell.

For me it makes sense to focus more money to mental health services rather then online systems! Maybe I'm looking at it too simplistically but it seems bizarre to me not to put extra funding into MH service provision.

I was given information to read and told referral time was 8+ months for trauma counselling referral. I'm lucky now gone private but we shouldn't be leaving people for months with little to no support.

Mental health has always been the Cinderella service in the NHS. It's not the sexy, front door, all singing and dancing lifesaving stuff with bells on which attracts decent funding and people to work in it. There is a real shortage of Psychiatrists.
Instead its people struggling on at home in miserable circumstances day after day, only really supported by family. Unless people are actively psychotic there's very long waiting lists (usually over a year) or it's just whatever the GP can prescribe.
Been that way for a long time and unlikely to change anytime soon.

@GirlLovesWorld

Well...who would 'they' be in that case though? You'd be asking an awful lot of medical staff/police/Procurator Fiscals etc to collude in breaking the law by falsifying death certificates.

I'm not sure, as I say it was friend of friend. But I did wonder if they listed Covid in the 2nd or 3rd cause, even if not as the main cause of death, in a indirect manner. I've heard via MSM about others who were listed as covid without a positive test etc too.

Maybe, I have no idea; maybe they list it if the person has become depressed due to Covid? Although that would be quite subjective wouldn't it. And would require interviewing a lot of contacts. For example, my friend had various issues, some of which I knew about, some of which I only found out later, but I'd imagine that shielding alone for the last four months of his life were a major factor too.

I don't know how it works, I'm just saying it's probably not a government-orchestrated conspiracy.

I think there are some cases rumbling in the background from relatives who have had relatives listed as Covid deaths.

I think that suicides might be linked to lock down actions, not covid and that's a very distinct difference.

Yes, Covid restrictions as a factor, that's a better way to put it.

Although I am getting pissed off when I read an MSM story about how 'lockdown drove family man to kill his wife and children'.

Nah mate, you were clearly always a violent arsehole, not a devoted family man!

Travelling tabby has updated local authority data. Public data website still isn't working.

My LA is seriously lagging behind in vaccination numbers which is frustrating!
Although I did see elsewhere on mumsnet that over 80% were now breaking lock down rules and having tea inside and who can blame them!
I think they should open up cafes for the over 70s let them enjoy some freedom after sheltering so much!

Oops over 80s not 80%!

@ProvisionallyAnxious

I have friends whose babies were born in lockdown (and are now almost 1 so soon outside the exemption!) and they are furious NS presented it as clarifying what was always allowed. They feel taken for fools.

They shouldn't. I have a baby and toddler at home. I and several others I know wrote to MSPs and ministers back in December when England changed its rules. We were told time and again (often with copy pasted paragraphs) that this was not allowed here, and we were "reminded" of the rules. At no stage did this come up. To pretend now that they are simply clarifying what was always permitted is nothing short of gaslighting.

And yes, to make it up to aged 1 when so many of us who gave birth alone or parented with a newborn in those scary lonely March and April days are coming up for a baby birthday is just at best completely thoughtless.

A good way to lose people's respect and compliance anyway .

I don't think you can blame older people who have been vaccinated for trying to live a little.
Many older people struggle with loneliness at the best of times when old peoples clubs and cafes are open. Gawd knows how they are coping on a day to day basis, not seeing people, nothing to do, family keeping their distance.

I can't see it though; there's too many different factors at play

Not all over 70s have had vaccination for health reasons; lots of them have only had one dose; who is going to check they've been vaccinated before letting them in the cafe; are the cafe staff comfortable working in a small place being unvaccinated; once the cafe is open for the over 70s, people with small kids will want to use the loo; people under 70 will want to accompany their parents as 'carers' to get a coffee, and on and on and on it goes.

@goldengoldfish that's even more shocking!
I can't believe they have tried to sweep this one away with it was peoples understanding and left mum's so vulnerable when they didn't need to be!

@goldengoldfish exactly! Indeed I really think they should have said up to age 3, i.e. the age of free nursery provision - opportunities for a) toddlers to socialise indoors and b) carers to get some respite are nil up to that age unless you can afford to pay for nursery.

But then again they've given so few shits about new mothers in all this it has been frankly misogynistic. I was appalled to observe the changes to maternity care / rules about birth partners in the early days of the pandemic, and there are STILL limits. So fucking much for women-centred and family friendly care.

@GirlLovesWorld the cover of protection from one jab has been shown to be very high after 4 weeks.
Given they hit the target for over 70s in mid Feb makes sense the ones vaccinated now have a high level of protection by next week or so.
Younger staff had potential exposure last year and places will be open back up before many staff have been vaccinated.

Yes people will moan but many younger people were out and about in the summer where older people weren't and given the research is showing they are doing it anyway then might as well help some small businesses out in the meantime!

Yeah I get all that, I'm just pointing out all the reasons it probably won't happen. I can see both sides really, I was just think-typing out the rationale I assume they're debating when it comes this vaccine passport type stuff.

@ProvisionallyAnxious

But then again they've given so few shits about new mothers in all this it has been frankly misogynistic. I was appalled to observe the changes to maternity care / rules about birth partners in the early days of the pandemic, and there are STILL limits. So fucking much for women-centred and family friendly care.

The limits are still pretty strict and even worse for attending the EPU. Many women (myself included) are still finding out about suffering a miscarriage alone while the dad waits in the car. It's truly soul destroying last summer they came out with guidelines that women should be allowed support throughout pregnancy. Sadly that hasn't been put into practice.

Definitely given few shits about mums esp in Scotland. England have allowed new parents to have a support bubble. And they kept nurseries open through this last lockdown. Seriously how are parents meant to work and homeschool and care for LOs?

I do think empathy and understanding that little children will not entertain themselves for hours has been sadly lacking in Scotland.

BJ may or may not be a hands on Dad but 6 weans to his name he understands that little people shouldn't just be plonked in front of CBEEBIES all day.