Salmond v Sturgeon Round 2.

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As the conversation is interesting and the thread is nearly full. Does it matter if Sturgeon is guilty - do you know or care? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/scotsnet/4153007-Does-it-matter-if-Sturgeon-is-guilty-do-you-know-or-care

I think the UK government trusted the devolved government in Scotland. Can you imagine the fury if the Uk told the Scots how to spend the money? I think the money should be ring fenced but it’s not. So the in tax payer pays and feels aggrieved. Rightly or wrongly.

There are lessons to be learned at Westminster. We don’t want the government to appoint judges. We don’t want top civil servants rubbished publicly and removed. We don’t want political advisers to rule over the civil service instead of an elected minister. We don’t want lies and we want transparency. We even want ministers to resign if they are incompetent. Not hang on in the face of mounting criticism. So I think we are watching Scotland with some alarm!

I've read that the sheer volume of legislation passed these days has led to a worsening of quality. My prior expectation about legislation would be that a less experienced chamber would pass worse legislation due to having less legislative experience. And ditto policies.

Anas Sarwar is off to a good start, I've got hopes Scottish Labour under his leadership.

This is partly what’s so appalling about what’s happening in Scottish politics.
The division stoked by the SNP between Scotland and England to serve their purpose of achieving independence, has resulted in some people south of the border having a fairly negative view of all Scots/Scotland now.

The responsibility of the SNP to speak for the whole of Scotland including majority of Scots who voted No in the Independence referendum of 2014, has been one that they’ve totally ignored.

It’s all short term tactics.
Get independence at any cost, piss off your nearest, biggest trading country and tell the EU, you’ll do anything to get into the EU again.
What an example of stellar negotiating strategy.

It looks like Sturgeon is going to try to brazen this out but surely there has to be some seismic change as a result if this whole debacle.

Looks like they’re going to release the legal advice

@WouldBeGood

Looks like they’re going to release the legal advice

About bloody time. Maybe if the green party stop behaving like SNP lettuces more often then we might see more robust government. Shan't hold my breath.

I only found scotnet on here not that long ago - having up until now been wasting my time in gentler parts of the site. I'm catching up though - what an education.
In only just the last few days have learned that our parliament is shit, all the politicians of all the parties are shit, all the laws/legislation are shit, the lord advocate is shit (and a crook), the courts are shit. Oh and all the media is shit, and all our journalists are shit too. oh, and Scots are dim. I've probably missed out a lot

and Scots are dim

Ahem...we aren't all dim! :o

*Westminster isn't like Scotland in any way. The UK system is adverserial, fact based, nit picking, legal protections and a robust aggressive press, with professional institutions who have independent power bases away from the party who runs the Government.

Scotland has very little of that.*
that's interesting - can you expand. I'm just Scottish, and, as you'll see from the daisy post above, most of us are very dim

oh and our civil service and all our institutions are very poor

Looks like the Greens are trying to distance themselves and can see the way the wind is blowing. SNP votes might go to the greens which wouldn't be my preferred option but better there than with the SNP.

I wonder if Sarwar and Ross as new brooms might be more willing to broker something of an alliance to stop the split of the vote in some key seats where only one or the other standing might help defeat the SNP candidate?

I hope so wax I've failed to pick the right strategic vote the last few times as it's so close for mine. It's a hard call to know who the marginal swing will be this time,

I hope Labour will get a boost from Sarwar, but tories may get a boost from vaccination roll out. Maybe better info on polling closer to the time.

I think the Greens made the right choice, as it would have looked really bad to prop up the failure to give the evidence Parliament has twice voted to be given.

I think it’s to be unredacted too.

happy finally in agreement

I am no Nationalist but I agree with Swinney that the "too wee, too poor, too stupid" narrative is ridiculous and offensive.

Even funnier if you spend 5 minutes reflecting how many Scots are embedded in WM, UK media and Internationally and how much of a closed shop the upper echelons of WM politics and civil service are. (Oxbridge PPE anyone) - for reference Oxbridge has a smaller UK Undergrad cohort to pick from than GlasEd.

"In only just the last few days have learned that our parliament is shit, all the politicians of all the parties are shit, all the laws/legislation are shit, the lord advocate is shit (and a crook), the courts are shit. Oh and all the media is shit, and all our journalists are shit too. oh, and Scots are dim. I've probably missed out a lot"

If some robust criticism offends so much, by all means head back to the more gentle parts of MN.

No one is immune from criticism, and the fact that there's so much up for criticism within Scottish government, politics, and wider areas should peak some curiosity. Or at the very least prompt equally robust rebuttals to the criticism. If that's not your 'thing' then I dunno what you want from a thread discussing clearly evidenced activity that's more than worthy of criticism. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I'm happy to be challenged on my opinions. No one has to agree with me, I'm not above criticism either. I'd prefer an open & robust exchange of views than snark. But that's just me.

It’s weird @Dinnafashyersel because I agree. But the Scottish Parliament is full of total numpties

Yes this is our country and our government

They should be open and transparent and trustworthy

At the moment they are none of this

As for the HCB bill 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

@LexMitior maybe you should start a thread about that?

nah, please don't, please tell us all more about it here

If some robust criticism offends so much,

I'm not offended, maybe a little bit surprised that there doesn't seem to be one single good thing to be said for our country. but, as i say, I'm just here to be educated.

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Sturgeon Bingo Cards at the ready.

WouldBeGood Our numpties are indeed shocking but no worse than everyone else's. I see life finally caught up with Sarkozy.

This is interesting

Tweet Link

"... as well as the Lord Advocate and the Crown Agent, the Holyrood inquiry is also hearing from Alex Prentice QC tomorrow morning..."

Alex Prentice - COPFS & was the QC who prosecuted the Alex Salmond criminal case.

Dinna you’re missing the point.
Those of us criticising the SNP are saying the opposite of Scotland being ‘too wee, too poor, too stupid’

Scotland and the Scots are so much better than the shower of low calibre politicians representing you.

There is an opportunity now for everyone to demand better from ScotGov.

@ShowmetheSnowdrops

Dinna you’re missing the point. Those of us criticising the SNP are saying the opposite of Scotland being ‘too wee, too poor, too stupid’

Scotland and the Scots are so much better than the shower of low calibre politicians representing you.

There is an opportunity now for everyone to demand better from ScotGov.

Exactly. There are many very intelligent people in Scotland - but I don't think the Scottish Parliament, in the main, is of the intellectual or moral calibre that it should be. I feel like there's also a lack of people with proper experience before their political life. That's an issue in other parliaments too before anyone whatabouts me. But, with some notable exceptions, our MSPs just aren't good enough IMO.

@Dinnafashyersel

WouldBeGood Our numpties are indeed shocking but no worse than everyone else's. I see life finally caught up with Sarkozy.

I think the MSPs are really thick though.

Lots of other Parliaments are full of corrupt members. But Holyrood is not blessed with intellectual giants.

tell us more wouldbegood

whose the thickest, in your view?