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Salmond v Sturgeon Round 2.

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Cismyfatarse · 28/02/2021 18:29

As the conversation is interesting and the thread is nearly full. Does it matter if Sturgeon is guilty - do you know or care? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/scotsnet/4153007-Does-it-matter-if-Sturgeon-is-guilty-do-you-know-or-care

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PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 03/03/2021 14:00

New thread

(Same as before, but it's useful to have the link on the last page.)

WaxOnFeckOff · 03/03/2021 14:02

Nice one Johann:

Johann Lamont MSP
@JohannLamont
·
2h
Does
@HumzaYousaf
not think he could usefully be spending his time allaying fears of women about the consequences of the Hate Crime Bill? I am sure
@ForwomenScot
and
@mbmpolicy
would be happy to meet with him if he has spare time away from the live tweeting.

IsurviveonCoffeeandWinein2021 · 03/03/2021 14:03

Can someone explain the difference between council and law officer? I mean I know council are their lawyers but not the law officer bit

Dinnafashyersel · 03/03/2021 14:03

Kurt thanks for the reply. I agree with all your points but wonder who the impatient for Indy / Joanna faction would vote for instead or do you think they will just stay home?

My feeling to date was that the SNP might squeak home because their core will turn out whereas everyone else is at the "a plague on all their houses stage." However the longer this goes on and the more exposure Jackie and Murdo and co get the more likely Labour and Tory voters will bother to turn out. Also think it highly likely the Greens will get wiped out.

littlbrowndog · 03/03/2021 14:04

Malcolm tucker😉

WaxOnFeckOff · 03/03/2021 14:06

Also think it highly likely the Greens will get wiped out.

I'd have thought that SNP voters may move over to the Greens but it will depend what they do if there is a VoNC?

WouldBeGood · 03/03/2021 14:06

@CaledonianMacBrayne

I would find her whole 'defender of women' schtick much easier to accept if she had not been prepared to throw them under the bus to appeal to TRAs.

The sheer hypocrisy of saying that she was standing up to powerful men is breathtaking.

A big yes to this
happygolurkey · 03/03/2021 14:10

It didn't exactly come to nothing. It was subsequently the case that there were in fact allegations.

yes, but at that point it didn't come to anything in terms of sky didn't run with a story. She didn't know who was making the allegations, no complaint had been made so what action could she have taken? other than confront Salmond about it, which she did.
One the one hand the accusation being put to her is the Salmond allegations shouldn't have went to police, or went at the wrong time. Are you saying she should have gone to the police or put procedure into action even before a complaint had even been made?
Should action be taken against everyone over any press enquiry that doesn't even make it to a story?

kurtrussellsbeard · 03/03/2021 14:10

@Dinnafashyersel that I'm not so sure about. There are smaller socialist independence parties about. Some will go there. That's where DH wants to go. Some the greens maybe. Some, of course, won't vote at all like you say.

It's a perfect storm of bullshit. Very depressing.

anon444877 · 03/03/2021 14:11

plus you know, I don't know that I want someone who's gone along with it for years due to their own ambition or the moment not being right, then bungled things this badly to be standing up for me or claiming common cause. Heart's in the right place is all very well but is that the best we can hope for?

When it's all taken into account, Nicola's presided over a huge loss for women and I'm not sure sorry cuts it.

TheShadowyFeminist · 03/03/2021 14:11

"Can someone explain the difference between council and law officer? I mean I know council are their lawyers but not the law officer bit"

IANAL and I'm not too sure about the law officer role - counsel is basically the QC who will likely be the one to be arguing the merits of the case they're instructed on. In any cases I've dealt with, the counsel opinion is the best overall summary of your key arguments & their legal merits, usually includes any case law that's relevant or helpful & supports or undermines parts of your arguments. Usually, the client should pay v close attention to what counsel says.

Clients can go against the advice, but it's a huge risk to ignore what counsel says about the strengths or weaknesses of your case. I've been involved in civil stuff where we all have a range of opinions & views on the case, the strengths/weaknesses & whether to take the risk of costs on pushing onto a full court hearing etc. But it's extremely foolish to believe that the QC employed to argue your case isn't the best authority to assess the merits. Mind you, I've never been in the position of having law officers or the Lord Advocate to opine on counsel's opinion so maybe Scotgov had better reasons to ignore the assessment of the prospects of success that I've ever had!

IsurviveonCoffeeandWinein2021 · 03/03/2021 14:13

Thank you @TheShadowyFeminist

sessell · 03/03/2021 14:13

This is no longer on Scottish Parliament TV. Any ideas where else I can watch - or listen?

WaxOnFeckOff · 03/03/2021 14:14

I was watching on BBC scotland @sessell

sessell · 03/03/2021 14:18

Thanks @wax. See you all on thread 3.

happygolurkey · 03/03/2021 14:23

Margaret Mitchell saying now she thinks Sturgeon should have abused her power and intervened on Salmond's behalf because he led 'a very competent government'

Getting desperate

DynamoKev · 03/03/2021 14:25

@Beepbeeprichie

And what will become of this Aberdein evidence and the memory stick? More importantly, which actors will play all these individuals in the Netflix dramatisation? Grin In all seriousness though, this just gets worse and worse. Replying to a complaint about yourself. Refusing to release evidence. Refusing to release the education report. Are Evans, Swinney and Murrell all going to be sacrificed to save The Leader? And if so can the public really have faith in the political fabric of the country?
Alex Norton as Salmond

Janette Tough as Sturgeon

jabbathebutt · 03/03/2021 15:48

eh where's the feed gone?

kurtrussellsbeard · 03/03/2021 16:20

There's a new thread @jabbathebutt

happygolurkey · 03/03/2021 18:51

The members of the committee have been freely tweeting throughout this process in a prejudice way that would be unacceptable in any other legal process.

because other court proceedings aren't normally on the telly! It's all out in the public domain.

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