Salmond v Sturgeon Round 2.

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As the conversation is interesting and the thread is nearly full. Does it matter if Sturgeon is guilty - do you know or care? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/scotsnet/4153007-Does-it-matter-if-Sturgeon-is-guilty-do-you-know-or-care

What fundamentally changed. ?

I don’t understand this bit

@littlbrowndog

So the legal action was to test a policy ?

They thought the JR provided them with an opportunity to get the procedure effectively "signed off" by the courts

I think @littlbrowndog it turned out they hadn't disclosed all the relevant information to the legal team. When that came out everything changed

@littlbrowndog

So the legal action was to test a policy ?

I'm talking about when she was droning about legal advice not always being completely positive and she then compared it to legal advice received on a policy that they went ahead with anyway and that worked out fine.

Oh wheesht about bloody minimum pricing

Thanks

I'm just dipping in and out so might have missed why that was comparable.

She's the First Minister of Ignorance in Post, it sounds like to me

I wonder who didn’t disclose the information?

@TheShadowyFeminist

"Can someone explain how it was a political opportunity?, to have the women's complaints handled by the police. In my view, it was the opposite."

The complaints were not passed to the police at the stage they were 1st reported or investigated, nor when the investigation had been completed. One of the complainants reported a serious allegation to Ian McCann who said he'd 'sit on it' and would deploy it later if necessary. She herself said her intention for reporting was to prevent Salmond from seeking to be elected again, having it on SNP record for vetting purposes.

It might be unpalatable to some, but the disclosure of Miss H was 'sat on' which suggests not concern with any wider implications but to be 'deployed' later - that's purely political, and not a 'duty of care'.

I thought they were saying earlier that the women didn't want it passed to the police though?

The FM said that she only reported the offences in order to stop AS being re elected? How do you know this? I've been watching since 9 and haven't heard her say it.

It was an email. Ms H was not one of the 2 original complaints

From the Spectator : 4. Did the government waste taxpayer money?

Despite a legal challenge from Salmond, the Scottish government defended its investigation into allegations made against him (of which he was acquitted of in a criminal court). Now legal advice published on Tuesday has found that senior counsel said the ‘least worst option’ would have been to admit defeat. Shouldn't the government have accepted this advice rather than continued to spend taxpayers' money?

@littlbrowndog

I wonder who didn’t disclose the information?

So Salmond's theory would suggest they were dragging out the JR. Part of that was not conceding but just plain going slow and hiding evidence may have been a part too

"complaints were not passed to the police"

Apologies, I should have said 'advocacy support services' as the police repeatedly advised in terms of the development of the process in answering 'hypothetical' scenarios.

@StatisticallyChallenged

It was an email. Ms H was not one of the 2 original complaints

Can you link to the e- mail please? Surely it would be brought up by the committee?

Comment on the Speccie:
'In front of the committee, she's gone full "woke", and appointed herself the defender of women against powerful, sleazy men.

There's one teensy problem with this. Salmond's reputation as a sex-pest was known in the 1990s, even in England, when he used to harass young female Nats at student events. A friend who was at Oxford in the 1990s recalls this pretty clearly.

Does anyone seriously doubt that "defender of women" Sturgeon knew about Salmond's sleazy ways in 2014, when she was trying to have him installed as the founding prime minister of an independent Scotland?'

I'm sure Salmond IS angry at NS not intervening but I don't believe that's the root of his anger, I expect the root of it is that the Scottish government hampered his defense to the extent that he won a JR against them. The idea that NS just did not intervene and did nothing is yet another lie, she is the head of the government.

Thank you, Polka

Does anyone seriously doubt that "defender of women" Sturgeon knew about Salmond's sleazy ways in 2014, when she was trying to have him installed as the founding prime minister of an independent Scotland?'

and then her support of Biden.

That's what Peston was alluding to daisyfraser - Nicola herself has said she knew he had behaved inappropriately from what he'd said to her. It was ok with her until metoo and then she rushed headlong the other way.

This is actually embarrassing- shades of Thorpe plotting, the sheer amateurism of politicians involved. A shambles

@daisyfraser

I thought Starry was being ironic.

I'm hoping they are🙈

@daisyfraser since when was defending women 'full woke'?

I've almost certainly been in positions in the past where powerful men have acted poorly and I've said nothing. Through fear or through an acceptance that this was in some way culturally acceptable.

I wouldn't say nothing now. The world is a different place post #metoo. Even looking at sitcoms from a few years ago can be jarring.

It's not hypocritical to be a part of that change.

I wonder what the sign is between Sturgeon and Fabiani to get Fabiani to step in and close down the questioner a la Mitchell
F can't be taking those decisions herself.

It was a text actually, read out during the court case. I don't know if the committee have it, I recall seeing it somewhere.

archive.is/VY0Sa - telegraph article reporting on the court

On November 6 2017, the SNP official sent a text to Woman H which read: "I appreciate how difficult that must have been. I will sit on that and hopefully never have to deploy it."