Tiers until the end of time

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Quickly putting this up as last thread is full

Yes, people talk about counting Covid deaths as if it's the simplest thing in the world but it's really not.

Aaargh wrote a long response and then it vanished.

The article shows the SG acknowledging the vaccine by saying that because it reduces transmission the numbers to change tiers have to be lower! - but doesn't acknowledge that it also reduces the likelihood of serious illness / hospitalisation.

Also, "close to zero" for level 0 (is that normality, or still restrictions?). How many cases of flu per 100,000 do we have on average?

This is exactly what I feared a couple of months ago - that there would come a point when governments would have to shift their thinking towards deeming some level of risk acceptable, and that the SG just wouldn't be able to make that leap.

I don't think that would even it out enough rookie, plus the testing is flawed. DH has encountered patients that have been discharged with a positive test, but they also had a positive test more than 28 days previously, so at least one of them isn't correct.

No level/tier zero wasn't normal life.

Groovee that is such a worry for you we had that last year parents sending DC despite having symptoms and a test booked for their self. Then being surprised when DC were positive too. Ninety odd kids home to isolate- no staff as we can (try) to distance . Where I live and teach is significantly above the Scottish average rate while secondaries are still on very reduced numbers and during this lockdown there have been cases in my school and DD's school hubs. Not sure a twice weekly LFT is going to reassure while a vaccination for me is still a long way off. Hope Mr Grovee has a comfortable day.

The Scottish government is planning in using the levels of infection from WHO to decided in tiers. But the WHO says level zero is no restrictions. Level one is very minimal restrictions etc. Their levels bear no resemblance to Scottish levels at all!
I honestly feel like house hunting in Yorkshire at the moment. I love Scotland but it feels such a terrible mess with no way out at the moment! And so much hatred of England 😡

I don’t know why it changed all my ons into ins 🙄

Send a more apt thread title for the next on is “tiers to infinity and beyond” because the bbc article about tiers being linked to the who guidance suggests exactly this.
And so it continues living within the strictest restrictions in the world outside some communist states

@WaxOnFeckOff

I don't think that would even it out enough rookie, plus the testing is flawed. DH has encountered patients that have been discharged with a positive test, but they also had a positive test more than 28 days previously, so at least one of them isn't correct.

You can test positive for up to 90 days after a positive test as the test can pick up fragments of the old infection when you are no longer contagious. You are exempt from regular testing (e.g. at work) for 90 days after you first test positive due to this.

Yes @rookiemere I'm Edinburgh too. We should have been in tier 2 in November but couldn't because "attractive capital city and people will flock there if everything's open"

So as long as anywhere in central Scotland has higher cases we'll NEVER get beyond tier 3!!
So unfair and absolutely nothing we can do to change that

Once hospitalisations are low, there must be some court action about unjustifiable restriction on liberties that could be brought against SG if they persist in this nonsense.

I keep hoping that it's all just a political ploy as they couldn't be daft enough to go for zero covid once all adults are vaccinated ( I'm hoping before that).

no my DS won't be going back on 5th April as that's when he starts two weeks of school holidays- just like every other blinking teenager in Scotland.

Not true. Fife go back on the 12th.
The holidays are always staggered.

@PrimalLass but certainly not a single child in school on Easter Monday and very few in for the whole of that week.

So as long as anywhere in central Scotland has higher cases we'll NEVER get beyond tier 3!!
So unfair and absolutely nothing we can do to change that
Surely the people won't stand for this

Yes demented which is why it's flawed. People having a positive test recorded when they don't have covid and aren't infectious.

So when they get people to come for asymptomatic testing, "cases" will be identified and recorded, people will need to isolate, whole areas will be kept in restrictions etc and for what?

• @PrimalLass but certainly not a single child in school on Easter Monday and very few in for the whole of that week.*

Yes she was taking crap. I'm sure it's all just an election tactic at this point. If she makes it to the election still in post.

Talking about the Easter holidays I was railing to my DM about the weasly wording about the Easter Monday schools reopened for all maybe, but instead she used it to segue into a tedious story about Easter school holiday dates in Dundee when she was working there.

It genuinely feels that only those of us with school age DCs actually give a hoot about their education.

Argh yes I just looked at the tiers... Level 0 is no more than 8 people in your house, 15 outside, weddings max 50!

Actual normality isn't even on the fucking table, because we will never get to actual 0.

North lanarkshire not due back until the 19th and even then is it not just the exam year kids going back (and primary school). Poor ds in S3 will still be stuck in the crap that is 'online learning'

Yep, twice a year I meat up with a group of friends for a pub meal in the evening, usually between 10 and 12 of us. There is no possibility that is going to happen unless we get to zero and we pick a nice day at a weekend where we can eat outdoors. The logistics mean that just isn't going to happen.

I'm done. I'm going to see my mum at the weekend. I won't live like this indefinitely.

@ProvisionallyAnxious I wouldn't go on the last tier levels as they are due to release new ones.

But yes potentially. Wonder how many people would agree with the elimination strategy now? This was actually released last week several of us highlighted it.

The SG are cherry picking from the WHO and trying to present it as the best way except the way that the WHO calculate the numbers are different it's based on sample testing within community not those who seek tests. It's completely flawed!

Meet not meat.. 🤦‍♀️

I feel a bit sick about this afternoon's education announcement. If there's no ray of hope for my S3 DS about going back after Easter - even on a part time capacity - I'm going to be so upset. Obviously there is nothing I can do to change it, but personally I'll be done with any pretext of rule following.

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*So as long as anywhere in central Scotland has higher cases we'll NEVER get beyond tier 3!! So unfair and absolutely nothing we can do to change that* Surely the people won't stand for this

I don't think people will stand for it either. I really hope they come out in May and use their votes.

The only way it is remotely acceptable is to focus and really push the vaccine rollout in the highest teir areas. Even if it delays the programme in other lower risk areas.