Tiers until the end of time

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Quickly putting this up as last thread is full

sorry to hear things are so hard @ladylunchalot - I suppose I shouldn't be surprised either about the lack of media coverage on this but it's still disappointing.

Sorry @anon444877 that sounds like I'm having a pity party , I'm good pretty much all of the time, no point complaining. Just dread how hard it'll be when ds does get to go back to school, the longer he's off the harder it will be.

You're entitled to a whine with all of that going on, not that it sounded like that to me at all. I whine if it's not blue sky when I wake up.

I can't understand why the schools would want to store up problems for themselves like this and it's discordant because children in mainstream have often been kept in some school based learning throughout because they need the routine.

So the routine problem is both understood and ignored depending on the council and school type.

So wearing - you must be super human

@mibbelucieachwell the info has been released to the media. The numbers are low in Aberdeen and Aberdeenshire so they will be able to do more genetic sequencing to check.
Oil workers as a whole are pretty good at following the rules now, with the downturn and covid ontop positions are difficult to come by so they are less likely to take the risk of going galavanting about (friends generally pay for the extra test to reduce quarantine time). The cases also developed in the early days in quarantine from the news report which also reduces risk of spread.

It's interesting they are doing full backward tracing - this is what south Korea approach is for instance its full track and trace. I always find it ironic that the SG refer to other countries as what to aim for when they won't put in full track and trace methods.
I know I haven't had to self isolate because my toddler was identified as a contact of a case in nursery (we did anyway!).

What I don't understand about the Aberdeen flight is that they are contacting those that were on the flight now. Wouldn't those people have been classed as close contacts when the initial 3 tested positive over a month ago?

I thought the same as you @Scottishskifun - although it’s a bit worrying that it’s up here the lower cases should mean it’s easier to track it as such and they could do quite a lot of sequencing. Although not entirely sure what that process involves but would be interested if anyone knows!

Oil companies are fairly on it I would say, the implications of having to down-man a platform or having a vessel in quarantine means it’s in everyone’s interests to be doing regular testing.

@fluffyugg

What I don't understand about the Aberdeen flight is that they are contacting those that were on the flight now. Wouldn't those people have been classed as close contacts when the initial 3 tested positive over a month ago?

No due to spacing and masks if a surgical or ffp2 mask then more protection then a cloth one used. Unless they were sat next to them (unlikely as flights are deliberately spread about) then unlikely to be a contact for track and trace as they don't usually do full backward tracing as standard.

Yes I did wonder that earlier actually when JF said at lunchtime that there were around 20 people on the flight so presumably that allowed for some spacing

@florafoxtrot they run the samples through a machine which looks at the sequencing in a specialist lab and compares it to known variants genetic code. The horizon programme the other week included a bit on it was really interesting.

[quote Scottishskifun]@florafoxtrot they run the samples through a machine which looks at the sequencing in a specialist lab and compares it to known variants genetic code. The horizon programme the other week included a bit on it was really interesting.[/quote]
Thanks! I’ll see if I can find on catch up.

@StarryEyeSurprise

* Incase it wasn't clear, my journalist friends who got a place are Glasgow based.

Scottish Govt classes journalists as key workers, so they could be entitled to a place

Tiers until the end of time is so apt..

The criteria is now cases. So lockdown in some form is here to stay!! I

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-56237471

Just read that frasersmummy. Feel like going back to bed for 6 months.
How depressing. English people have hope and things to look forward to.
I am in Glasgow, there is no hope on the horizon.Feels so sorry for all our children,and for businesses.
We are one island ,the science is the same ,the numbers are falling,there is zero justification for this.

3rd friend isolating since the full return last Monday. Parents sending child to nursery while awaiting a test result then having to test the child who tests positive!

This is my huge worry. A husband who is currently recovering from Sepsis in hospital. We don't have a big house with spare bedrooms and bathrooms.

Roll on having my vaccine on Thursday.

It just feels like the goal posts are being changed all the time

If we get to the election and English people are getting back to normal and great swathes of Scotland are still under house arrest it’s going to show up in the vote
Such positive news last night about the vaccines , but make no difference to us

Those levels are so stringent, what is the point?! How can hospitality survive when the level for allowing alcohol sales is so strict?

Edinburgh looks like it should be in Tier 2 - shall I get out the bunting.

But oh wait, we're surrounded by Mid Lothian and not a million miles from Glasgow so everyone will flock here and we can't have that, so pah to your low levels and go into Tier 3/4 with everyone else.

I can only hope by end of April numbers will be so low, that tiers will be irrelevant.

I adhered to the tiers last time. Well, I did travel outwith a couple of times but to areas in the same tier.

Bring this in and I'll be going where I like, it's absurd.

@WaxOnFeckOff we'll try our best to travel down to England for any trips as will many others, I suspect.

At the end of the day, if hospitalisations and deaths are low and vaccination at least limits the severity of the disease, what does it matter what the rates are?

Also noted they are advertising for track and trace on a 12 month contract.

I think people will just not bother getting tested anymore.

leak to press Deploy the distraction.
Look over here, folks.
No need to look over there the notebook was destroyed
Back over here to your rage about the tiers.

On the whole deaths thing - the way we've been counting has been dodgy since the start. And we're not alone in this, other countries have been doing dodgy counting too.

The whole "deaths within 28 days of a positive test" and "deaths with Covid" and not "deaths as a result of Covid". We have no way of knowing how many of the people, especially last year, were seriously ill anyway. Anecdotally, I have a friend who is a nurse on a kidney unit where she sees patients who are very ill and waiting for transplants. Two of them died with Covid but you couldn't really argue they died OF Covid.

Problem is that as soon as you mention issues with the counting method, the doom mongers will start shouting about Covid denying and Covidiots and conspiracy theories.

Indeed Raspberry, I think at least one family is challenging the death certificate having covid on it. Their relative was dying from heart failure and lung issues but covid was on the death certificate.

@RaspberryCoulis I agree with you to an extent, but conversely deaths from covid more than 28 days after testing aren't counted, which evens it out a bit.
I tend to look at excess death levels rather than Covid deaths and there was a big spike over normal rates during first pandemic period and it's running slightly higher than normal fluctuations now, although in first wave who knows how many deaths were caused by people unable to get medical care for non covid related matters and how many ongoing deaths have been caused as early cancer not detected.