Does it matter if Sturgeon is guilty - do you know or care?

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Evidence of a conspiracy to frame Alex Salmond has been building. There are compelling reports in the Times, Herald , Sky News and across the internet. But there is less reporting in Scotland and a lot of people seem to not know or care. I'm Scottish but I don't live there. I've been hooked by this as a story of power and corruption. I'm on the fence re independence, just don't know enough so don't have an axe in that debate. I've never been an SNP member. But I do care about justice and that no-one should be above the law, especially politicians when they are seeking to imprison their potential rivals.

After reading this affadavit from Craig Murray which brings it all together and is incendiary I'm pretty convinced there has been a conspiracy and that Sturgeon and her collaborators should face justice. Although the justice department (Crown office) also seem to be mired in this. Here is the affadavit www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/01/my-sworn-evidence-on-the-sturgeon-affair/

I've shown this to a few people and have been shocked that a couple have said, yes it stinks but I like Sturgeon. I'd be interested in the views of Scotsnet. How much do you know about this? Do you care? Is it OK for our politicians to imprison their rivals, like Putin and co do, if you like their other objectives. Has Scotland become a corrupt nation? Is that OK?

@HirplesWithHaggis

It is still available, on the Spectator website.

I can only find a version with redacted sections. I've just looked.

Try the daily mail online.

Cayrol
Rubbish try at a LOT of deflection there. You must be as rattled as Sturgeon. Are you one of her SPADs ie publicly funded advisors now totally bought and paid for by the SNP?

Sturgeon's own law professor Alistair Bonnington is embarrassed by her behaviour. He said in 2016:
' Each arm of the state – the executive, legislative and judicial bodies – must act without interference from the others. But this elementary first year law school rule seems to have escaped the SNP.
'I taught Nicola Sturgeon when she was in law classes at Glasgow University. I seem to have failed to instill in her the most basic rules of how the institutions of government work in the free world. We tried to teach that a one-party government which tramples on the independence of the other arms of the state, and indeed the independence of its own members, is the very antithesis of true democracy. How sad that we failed.'

There is an article in 'Scottish Legal News' today stating the concern that the rule of law is dead in Scotland given the actions of the SNP administration.

There are now questions as to whether it was in fact permissable to redact AS's statement. It was a redaction of his mentions of the First Minister 'misleading parliament' ie lying.
By redacting the comment cannot be referred to in the enquiry. This surely should ring alarm bells for any right-thinking person'

If you are an SNP member/officer or whatever you will be familiar with 'Wheesht for Indy' - the policy where all supporters of the SNP have pledged (secretly of course) to keep quiet about any problems regarding independence until it's over the line.

Of course if you are you will also be totally intolerant of other views, and incapable of telling the truth.
Unfortunately for you, fortunately for the silent majority, people are waking up to the corrupt and dictatorial Sturgeon and SNP.

@GreenlandTheMovie not the full extract but have a look at this section:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9298715/Alex-Salmond-allies-claim-Nicola-Sturgeon-forced-quit.html

Just picturing Nicola Sturgeon pointing out to her erstwhile Professor that the Scottish Parliamentary system hadn't been invented when he was teaching her at Law School and Holyrood, in its infinite wisdom, does things rather differently.

The Professor from Caledonian University interviewed on The Nine was struggling to see what all the fuss is about.

Highly recommend Spectator TV this week on their Youtube channel for a decent round up of it all. Worth it just to marvel at Alex Massie's beard. The discussion of The Tufty Club at the end on public messaging at the end of the hour also great fun and thought provoking.

At the stage of looking out my Tufty hankie cos I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at the whole situation.

@daisyfraser@ Yy re 'Wheesht for Indy'
I have heard this ('unofficially' from my longstanding SNP MSP)

I wonder if BJ had an unofficial 'Button up re Brexit' policy.
Look where that has got us. Unprepared, costly, divisive.
It's NOT the way to govern or legislate effectively, whatever ideological stance you come from (or wherever on the fence you sit).

Ah! Is that what wheesht for Indy means? Thanks.

It does explain why none of the supporters will ever actually answer the big questions.

"Wheesht for Indy" - is that why so many SNP supporters do that really irritating glossing over of big problems (such as pointing out that EU membership is highly unlikely in the short to medium term)? And thuse really long winded, waffly "cheerie-weerie" responses?

God, its really irritating. Are they actially deliberately trying drive everyone with more than a single brain cell into leaving Scotland?

Ask them about setting up a tax office, DVLA, border, pensions, currency, central bank, upper chamber, health care, insurance, EU membership and how all these things are going to be funded: never an answer, other than it will all be fine. Or Norway.

Lol @daisyfraser there’s no serious impartial reason for anyone to even consider that “the rule of law is dead in Scotland” or that Nicola Sturgeon “is a tinpot dictator”. That’s just nonsense. Rule of law is fine and Nicola was democratically elected over and over again whether you like it or not.

It’s partisan conspiracy theories that some anti SNP types love. It’s funny in a way that they’ve been started by Alex Salmond who was a figure of hate for those same people who now support this nonsense.

Also I would note that if those are Alastair Bonningtons words we can see rather clearly that it’s just polically partisan opinion. We haven’t even publicly heard the whole story yet so to make a statement like that coming to such a harsh and definite conclusion shows no interest in impartial comment- just bashing someone whose politics you don’t agree with.

You know many of the people shouting loudly about this are pro indy and quite a lot of them SNP voters (at least historically). I'm seeing an increasing number saying "actually, nah" and looking to give at least their list vote to one of the smaller parties

It is a bit worrying though after the attack on the Capitol in the US. We need to tolerate and respect democracy. You might not agree with Nicola but she was elected democratically and is the legitimate leader and there’s no evidence otherwise.

@StatisticallyChallenged - I imagine there are still quite a lot of Alex salmond supporters in the SNP. We will se what happens in May at the election

Today is not about what Alex Salmond did or didn’t do, it is about what he claims the Scottish Government, Nicola Sturgeon, and her advisors, did or didn’t do. That is what the remit of the committee is. #SalmondInquiry

From Mandy Rhodes Twitter feed

@percheron67

Does one have to be Scots to put a post on this thread?

The term is Scottish not Scots...

It's not 'Engs' for people form England

@CayrolBaaaskin

It is a bit worrying though after the attack on the Capitol in the US. We need to tolerate and respect democracy. You might not agree with Nicola but she was elected democratically and is the legitimate leader and there’s no evidence otherwise.

I do believe that this might be an actual example of "Wheesht for Indy" - the concept common amongst Snp supporters that any problems have to be overlooked in the drive for independence.

Carol - in case you still haven't noticed, vwgich is hard to believe, this is abyout a possible breach of the Ministerial Code by the first minister, a code put in place to protect democracy and the abuse of power in democratic institutions.

So the enquiry is examining the evidence... As I say, in case you haven't noticed.

@CayrolBaaaskin

Also I would note that if those are Alastair Bonningtons words we can see rather clearly that it’s just polically partisan opinion. We haven’t even publicly heard the whole story yet so to make a statement like that coming to such a harsh and definite conclusion shows no interest in impartial comment- just bashing someone whose politics you don’t agree with.

I would suggest that a law professor at Glasgow University is the height of impartiality, and in Scotland we very much need academics lije him to speak out, rather than the usual partisan politically motivated individuals.

What majes you think that Scotland should be the only European country where the views of academics should be dismissed if speaking independently? Do you not think that Scots deserve to have such clever people in their midst or something?

Tolerating and respecting democracy doesn't mean showing blind loyalty to elected leaders. Being elected means you are expected to behave appropriately, to follow the rule of law and any codes which govern your role. You don't get elected and then become above reproach, being questioned constantly goes with the territory.

I have the utmost respect for democracy. That requires me to ask questions of those elected to represent us.

WTF Pouchie I don't think there's any call to be so snooty. Could argue the toss re your semantics but that would be even more crass. It's called Scotsnet not Scottishnet.

Course the "Wheesht for Indy" crew would have me believe I'm no longer Scottish the moment I leave Scotland for more than 3 months. If you want full citizen rights in their Unicorn Land you can step over their thistle border to the promised nirvana any time from anywhere you like but you can never leave nor, apparently, even look over the hedge.

'just polically [sic] partisan opinion'

Ha ha ha ha!
You mean a non-SNP opinion

Ha ha ha ha!
Sturgeon 'elected democratically' ??
You're having a laugh, right?

'elected' if you consider being voted in by 63 SNP MSPs after she inherited the role of FM.
And she lost five elections - local council and 2 Westminster - before she snuck into Holyrood on the Regional List.
She had the FM job handed to her, then she fought an election on independence, then she fought an election on Stop Brexit (that worked out well).
She's never ever put any policies of her own.

The term is Scottish not Scots

Snippy and wrong.

It's an interesting thread about very important issues.

Absolutely Daisy. Just to add the SNP is a MINORITY Govt. The turn-out for Holyrood election in 2016 was 55%. The SNP polled around 45% on both Constituency and List. In comparison the Turnout for IndyRef 2014 was 84% and No won by 55%. Roughly the same number of people in Scotland voted Leave in the EU Ref in 2016 as voted for Nicola's SNP in the Holyrood election the same year.

Apathy not enthusiasm is what has led Nicola to power.

That’s spot on on the figures for the SG.

I’ve been reading about the wheesht for Indy stuff and it’s really pretty awful. These people know about all the corruption etc but are prepared to keep quiet to achieve a goal.

That’s obviously not all SNP supporters: I follow a huge cross sections of political people and they are being called out by others in the party.