Does it matter if Sturgeon is guilty - do you know or care?

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Evidence of a conspiracy to frame Alex Salmond has been building. There are compelling reports in the Times, Herald , Sky News and across the internet. But there is less reporting in Scotland and a lot of people seem to not know or care. I'm Scottish but I don't live there. I've been hooked by this as a story of power and corruption. I'm on the fence re independence, just don't know enough so don't have an axe in that debate. I've never been an SNP member. But I do care about justice and that no-one should be above the law, especially politicians when they are seeking to imprison their potential rivals.

After reading this affadavit from Craig Murray which brings it all together and is incendiary I'm pretty convinced there has been a conspiracy and that Sturgeon and her collaborators should face justice. Although the justice department (Crown office) also seem to be mired in this. Here is the affadavit www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/01/my-sworn-evidence-on-the-sturgeon-affair/

I've shown this to a few people and have been shocked that a couple have said, yes it stinks but I like Sturgeon. I'd be interested in the views of Scotsnet. How much do you know about this? Do you care? Is it OK for our politicians to imprison their rivals, like Putin and co do, if you like their other objectives. Has Scotland become a corrupt nation? Is that OK?

I think there's still room for dissent especially on the non constitutional question. So yes, fairly obviously it will be a requirement to be pro indy. But why does that mean you must agree on other topics?

There’s an absolute load of conspiracy theory rubbish on this thread. There are no grounds whatsoever to think that parliament and judiciary are not separate in Scotland. It plain silliness to suggest otherwise.

A lot of very sensible trustworthy people are expressong concern about the corruption.

@Viviennemary

A lot of very sensible trustworthy people are expressong concern about the corruption.

Doesn't matter, we've been told it's a load of rubbish now so we must cease discussing and questioning immediately 🙄

There are actually very serious questions raised now about the separation of powers. That’s not a conspiracy theory.

There have been concerns about the separation of powers dating back to 2008 at least.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/12765677.judges-call-for-lord-advocate-to-be-stripped-of-powers/

It is one of the many consequences of the way in which Devolution and the Supreme Court were rushed through. The rush to get rid of WM involvement where it was unwarranted meant that the necessary checks and balances were not considered let alone built in. The lack of a revising chamber amplifies the shortcomings as does the voting system which favours incumbency and coalitions of convenience. This is also what shuts down dissent in the back benches. (contrast the lack of backbench dissent within the Tory Party while Cameron was in coaltion with Clegg with what came next).

Nick Robinson taking the opportunity this morning to air some of the issues the SNP hounded him out of Scotland for reporting on in 2014. The issue with silencing dissent and choosing favourites is you make a lot of enemies. Feels very much like critical mass this week.

@Dinnafashyersel

There have been concerns about the separation of powers dating back to 2008 at least.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/12765677.judges-call-for-lord-advocate-to-be-stripped-of-powers/

It is one of the many consequences of the way in which Devolution and the Supreme Court were rushed through. The rush to get rid of WM involvement where it was unwarranted meant that the necessary checks and balances were not considered let alone built in. The lack of a revising chamber amplifies the shortcomings as does the voting system which favours incumbency and coalitions of convenience. This is also what shuts down dissent in the back benches. (contrast the lack of backbench dissent within the Tory Party while Cameron was in coaltion with Clegg with what came next).

Nick Robinson taking the opportunity this morning to air some of the issues the SNP hounded him out of Scotland for reporting on in 2014. The issue with silencing dissent and choosing favourites is you make a lot of enemies. Feels very much like critical mass this week.

I agree with everything you write. The whole devolution settlement has been so badly done. The obvious thing would be to have created a proper Constitution from the start, but since the UK doesn't have single document one, that wouldn't be politically expedient, and there seems so little knowledge of the basics of constitutions within the UK anyway.

At least within the UK as a whole, the press keeps politicians in check to some extent. That doesn't happen in the UK.

So instead to find the constitutional principles that apply in this affair, we have to look at various different Ministerial Codes, with different enforcement structures and no vertical effect - ie individuals cannot take action to enforce them.

I find it really shocking that this parliamentary enquiry into wrongdoings by the SNP Government into the case against the SNP Salmond are being led by Fiona Hislop, SNP MSP. Its such a clear conflict of interest. Would this happen in any other modern western country?

No it wouldn't and looking at the BBC clip today looks like Sturgeon is again playing the victim card and suggesting that it is Ruth D's fault there are questions to answer and she's some sort of conspiracy theorist. Not getting any better!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-56182663

She isn't responding to this well - aggressive, snipey, sarcastic. She has real questions to answer and whilst she claims to be willing...

'conspiracy theory rubbish on this thread'

Cayrol -
Sturgeon interviewed and appointed our current Lord Advocate. She interviewed all of them.
That is just not acceptable. She is the Executive. The LA is in the Judiciary who appoint him.

Added to which your tone is not very pleasant.
One could deduce that you're feeling rather nervous about the situation and the SNP's future. Is that right?

A disturbing aspect of it all is how the complainants in the sex assault trial are being used to further Sturgeon's agenda. Don't they realise that she has no actual interest in them other than that purpose?

I think they should step forward and identify themselves to remove the leverage Sturgeon's holding

I'd certainly by very concerned if I was one of them.

The redactions were so visible and public that they were far more of an obvious outing than any jigsaw would have been. The jigsaw required you to have read another old article to put 2 and 2 together. By making those redactions they might as well have just announced it.

But it served the purpose of removing the troublesome paragraphs for Sturgeon.

@CayrolBaaaskin

There’s an absolute load of conspiracy theory rubbish on this thread. There are no grounds whatsoever to think that parliament and judiciary are not separate in Scotland. It plain silliness to suggest otherwise.

Did you read Salmond's evidence - its quite shocking and suggestive exactly that, which is that the Crown Office and SG work to her direction (or perceived wishes).

Parliament appears to be happy to be directed by the Crown Office! What sort of Parliament is that, which doesn't wish to exercise its authority to scrutinise matters and meekly accepts redactions or evidence being removed.

These are actions that need explaining.

yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/02/25/jim-sillars-lodges-formal-complaint-against-the-first-minister/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Jim Sillars has lodged an official complaint re Nicola's Covid address yesterday, alleging a breach of rhe Ministerial Code.

I haven't been quite irritated that she spoke in relation to that. It is an abuse of power. I'm glad someone else has complained.

Wishing thinking maybe, but is NS and her supporters a shattered house of cards? 🤞

😂😂😂

Love it

I predict that it will all blow over, as things usually do in Scotland, with an emotional, televised apology on prime time tv by Sturgeon, just before the elections in May.

Does anyone remember the Edinburgh statutory notice scandal? That would have been a huge scandal anywhere else. Here, it didn't even warrant a parliamentary enquiry.

Scotland's lawyers are so concerned they actually now wonder whether the rule of law is still at work currently in Scotland!!

Aurea - v good.
Matt is a total legend

I'm not sure the argument put forth today that questioning the independence of the system undermines it (and therefore we shouldn't question) is a terribly good one...

Surely any system which cannon stand up to questioning and scrutiny isn't worth a damn

Yes oooh don't hold us up to scrutiny, we'll look worse as a result. Hmmmm

I live in Scotland and hope this impacts badly on the SNP at the next vote, but I don't think people are bothered. All the misinformation about the so called benefits of Independence seem to be much more in the forefront, even though it's 99% rubbish.

The Crown Office seem to think it’s their job to run the legal system to suit the Government
It really isn’t