Does it matter if Sturgeon is guilty - do you know or care?

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Evidence of a conspiracy to frame Alex Salmond has been building. There are compelling reports in the Times, Herald , Sky News and across the internet. But there is less reporting in Scotland and a lot of people seem to not know or care. I'm Scottish but I don't live there. I've been hooked by this as a story of power and corruption. I'm on the fence re independence, just don't know enough so don't have an axe in that debate. I've never been an SNP member. But I do care about justice and that no-one should be above the law, especially politicians when they are seeking to imprison their potential rivals.

After reading this affadavit from Craig Murray which brings it all together and is incendiary I'm pretty convinced there has been a conspiracy and that Sturgeon and her collaborators should face justice. Although the justice department (Crown office) also seem to be mired in this. Here is the affadavit www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/01/my-sworn-evidence-on-the-sturgeon-affair/

I've shown this to a few people and have been shocked that a couple have said, yes it stinks but I like Sturgeon. I'd be interested in the views of Scotsnet. How much do you know about this? Do you care? Is it OK for our politicians to imprison their rivals, like Putin and co do, if you like their other objectives. Has Scotland become a corrupt nation? Is that OK?

It is daisy. She makes t. Excellent point about the media fury if this happened in England. How have we gone so far in Scotland under such corruption?

I am in London not Scottish but British.

I am concerned that any political leader if found guilty of any serious allegation which is directly a reflection of trust and integrity - must face consequences as would any other person irrespective of their profession or position held. More so for a person in a position of trust and leadership to establish and instil the principle setting of the right example for others to follow.

This is not political as it is just fair and equitable justice as laws and expectations of decency must be uniformly applied without prejudiced favouritism. Political leaders above all others are held as leaders and so must understand that they are seen as an example to those they lead. We saw in England how finally those evidently breaking emergency pandemic laws testing their eyesight for child care while ill and blatantly lying are finally out of office. This crate blanche above the law untouchable behaviour is now seemingly only reserved for royalty and former presidents. Many former MPs have faced criminal consequences as they are not above the law even though they are technically law makers. Laws apply to all.

As History has shown us.. MP's can be convicted of crimes and still maintain seats in the House of Lords... so this Sturgeon/Salmond saga is just one of plenty to unfold over the years...

Time will tell how far and deeply is shall be exposed.. if at all

Now that Salmond has started to question Sturgeon's whole MO
She has merged the judiciary and the executive to suit her own ends. This is not done ever, even in Stalinist Russian, and Salmond has started to point this out.
So now it's a fight to the death for her. She will do or say anything to stay in power.
Not for independence though, she knows she will never get that, but for her own cushy salary (£3,000 a week plus all expenses paid - c tax, phone, utilities)

It's really not clear to me why usually sensible Scotland is allowing this woman to set up her own dominion under her own rules when the majority of us don't even support her. The three other parties consistently get more votes combined ie rejecting the SNP, than the SNP polls. Which they all damn well know.

It's high time we started acting like she does - ignoring the SNP result and demanding something which reflects our Will.

It matters because allegations are being made by leading Scots lawyers that figures in the Scottish Government influenced the prosecution service in Scotland.

It matters because the First Minister stated in the Scottish Parliament several times that she did not know about the allegations until 2nd April but evidence in the Salmond trial under path in court was given by Salmind's chief of staff that he met with Nicola Sturgeon on 29th March to discuss the allegations made against Salmond. And Salmond's chief of staff only got in touch with sturgeon because sturgeon's chief of staff had raised the issue with him in early March.

It matters because Scottish people don't deserve to live in a country where this sort of thing is tolerated. I'm not a fan of sturgeon but I sympathise with here. However it needs to be dealt with, not swept under the carpet.

It matters because this is another reason that Scotland doesn't meet the entry requirements for EU membership (lack of separation of powers/resiecy for the rule of law/independent judicial process, which is why countries lil e Turkey won't be admitted) and Scottish independence is being sold to Scots by the SNP as a done deal.

Or to put it in more general terms, the First Minister may have breached Scotland's constitution by lieing to the Scottish Parliament several times.

Thats a breach of the Scottish Ministerial code, which has as its penalty resignation. Scotland diesnt have a single document formal constitution so the Ministerial Code is one of the sets of rules that form the Scottish Constitution.

@GreenlandTheMovie that’s a great point re EU membership, I hadn’t considered that

calledyou

Because it's all being done under the radar with no permission from the majority - sneaky deals, and threats of funding withdrawal eg in academia they don't get money if they don't do as they're told

It's quite shocking.

People voting for them don't seem to realise - today it's Salmond getting it in the neck. Tomorrow it'll be them.

I really don’t understand the whole thing g to be honest and largely ignored it up till now. I genuinely don’t understand the nuts and bolts of it no matter how much I try. What was in it for NS to try to get rid of Salmond? He was already very much sidelined when she took over.

This kind of sums it up

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9296873/Alex-Salmond-Nicola-Sturgeon-war-Scotlands-Minister-mocks-conspiracy-theory.html

golightly
Can you find the summary I posted a few posts back which clarifies a bit? It is complex but Sturgeon is deliberately trying to create a fog around so people can't follow. And the press in Scotland is in her pocket.

Briefly - Salmond was making a comeback - he has a lot of supporters and they want to push for a new referendum.
Sturgeon - for all her p*ss and wind - does NOT want a referendum. She knows she would lose.

So she had to put Salmond out of action - permanently, in prison.
It's despicable.

Scotland really has to wake up before 6 May and the next election.
People should really write to their representatives too - MPs, MSPs and voice their disgust.

writetothem.com makes it very easy and my MSP always writes back to me personally.

@daisyfraser

calledyou

Because it's all being done under the radar with no permission from the majority - sneaky deals, and threats of funding withdrawal eg in academia they don't get money if they don't do as they're told

It's quite shocking.

People voting for them don't seem to realise - today it's Salmond getting it in the neck. Tomorrow it'll be them.

I'm an academic at a Scottish university and a couple of years ago we got a memo round sating we had to submit all academic articles to the university principal for "approval" first.

I have never before heard of such a requirement in any university elsewhere. Normally, you submit articles direct to the publications themselves. I would assume that not doing so is a sackable offence.

@GoLightlyontheEarth he was getting impatient with the lack of progress on independence (they’ve sat on their hands for years, despite a mandate) and was making sounds about returning to politics. He is a major threat to Sturgeon, especially as she appears to be totally paranoid.

Yes the treatment of dissenters is chilling. Elected members hounded out because they don’t agree with the ‘trans women are women’ mantra being one of the most terrifying to me. The system in Scotland really needs overhauled to avoid this situation arising again- it’s insane to me that it’s got this far without being challenged!!! This is a good read if you are interested in just how serious the implications are for people being innocently swept up in this madness yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/02/24/the-destroyers/

The treatment of Joanna Cherry QC has been atrocious by SNP leadership.
She was viewed as one of the few credible SNP politicians who could replace NS.
Joanna Cherry is seen as being in the AS camp. Therefore a threat to NS and Murrell’s leadership of the party.
Joanna Cherry was sacked from her role recently.

As one of the very few SNP politicians who tried to have a proper and reasonable debate about Women’s Rights, she has been subjected to the most horrendous abuse and threats.
To the extent where she required police protection.

Not a word of support from NS in public regarding this and yet we’re supposed to believe that she cares so much about the women who made the complaints about Salmond in the first place.

Well yes there is sturgeons treatment of Joanna cherry

SNP women have written a letter to her link below. It’s damming

www.snpwomenspledge.com/

Link

Snp do seem to be especially requiring of conformity to the party view. They didn't used to be, historically I'd have said they were quite a broad church united under the goal of independence but they seem to be morphing rapidly

Andrew Neil has called Scotland under Sturgeon a Banana Republic. Article in the DM.

@Viviennemary

Andrew Neil has called Scotland under Sturgeon a Banana Republic. Article in the DM.

Here's the link

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9297015/ANDREW-NEIL-Nicola-Sturgeons-storm-troops-turned-Scotland-banana-republic.html

We're not exactly looking like a model of democracy right now.

Also note that the Daily Mail are continuing to publish redacted content, even though the crown clearly claim this content is in breach of the anonymity order and therefore contempt of court. So that's at least the Daily Mail and the Spectator- are there any others who have openly published it?

Will the CPS go after them for contempt? Surely they should - and if they don't, why not?

I used to know an SNP MSP quite well. I won't say which obvs.
That person said that dissent amongst the Party was not tolerated. And that was some years ago. Anecdata of course. But they were fervently SNP rather than a career politician yet became increasingly uncomfortable & finally slightly scared by what they were witnessing.

It's NOT healthy for Scotland and needs rooting out. Root and branch.

@52andblue yes I have heard the same. And it’s pretty obvious from the SNP’s MPs at Westminster. All vote the same way, every time. There is no difference of opinion from the party view. I would expect my MP to represent the constituents and not the party but that is not the SNP way. The “right” way to vote for Scotland as a mass is decided centrally. I am not a fan of this.
I am not a fan of back bench rabble rousers either but at least there’s more dissent in the ranks to try to hold leadership to account.

I don't want a party of yes people, that's not how good, robust policy and law gets made

Snp do seem to be especially requiring of conformity to the party view. They didn't used to be, historically I'd have said they were quite a broad church united under the goal of independence but they seem to be morphing rapidly

I think you can be a broad church and accept difference of opinion when your are a fringe or obscure opposition party. and god knows the SNP saw it's fair share of squabbles, huffs, walkouts, schisms, and feuds down the years. Far less so when you are officially a party of governance trying to convince people of the need for a significant constitutional change.

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