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Another new Fred...

Support for political parties is interesting, though. I assume there are some people (party members and activists) who are pretty much in agreement with all policies (or at least claim to be), or can see good arguments for a particular policy and feel like they should defend the party stance. However, I would think most people, including many party members, have a general alignment with the ethos of a party but don't necessarily agree with everything they do... members may at least be able to influence policy, but I assume "habitual voters" may not even be aware of detailed policy on many things, but are happy to vote for the party "because they always have" and they agree with their overarching aims. Of course, other voters may switch alliegance based on all sorts... good (or bad!) policies on a pet subject, good (or bad) candidates, really not wanting another party to win so voting tactically and so on and so on...

I saw a survey a couple of years ago that I can't find again (though I'm aware that without it what I'm going to say comes in the 87% of statistics are made up on the spot category). But it looked at how personally members of different parties took a criticism of their party/ party leader/ policies etc. The SNP members were way top of how personally they felt about criticism of the party. I can kind of see why that would be in terms of independence almost being an identity, but it was really noticeable how different the SNP was compared to eg labour and tory etc, who were much more similar to each other, and generally didn't have the same personal connection with the party and could "accept" criticism to a greater extent without seeing it as a personal attack. I'm going to keep looking, because it was interesting, but it was a while ago I saw it!

Sour cream and chilli kettle chips are where it’s at.

Yoghurts are okay but they're not a treat the ways crisps are.

Unless they're buttons ones or something.

It’s all quite interesting.

My reasons for not voting SNP are because I’m a GC feminist, nothing to do with independence.

I like a buttons pudding.

Back to 8 available yoghurts, I found a rocket ice-lolly instead

Whilst I know keen supporters of other parties, I've never found anyone other than snp supporters that have the same devotion.

That doesn't mean they all are.

Yogurts are a healthy substitute for a proper pudding. Nice enough, but not a patch on the crunchy salty goodness of crisps, or things-like-crisps. We've discovered a kind of middle class wheat crunchie made from peas, I think, which is rather satisfying.

That's because there's a cause with the SNP.

I want Tyrells crisps the red pepper ones.

I think yoghurts are a pretend pudding

I kind of think they're breakfast.

@WouldBeGood are any parties actually a decent fit for a feminist? Certainly not Labour or Lib Dem. Not convinced that the Tories are any better as although they are less woke about stuff I'm not entirely convinced they believe in rights for anyone without lots of money regardless of gender, sex or race...

Whether it comes to "none of the above" or "least bad" it's very difficult to vote!

I've been getting these cheap yoghurts from sainsburys, they are about 60 for 4 and they are quite runny but perfect for pouring over fruit. DS doesn't eat vegetables so ends up with fruit and yoghurt with dinner (as well as other fruit).

Problem is I'm doing click and collect and they tend to give me early dates.

Salt and vinegar kettle chips and aioli. Or anything with aioli.

Whilst I know keen supporters of other parties, I've never found anyone other than snp supporters that have the same devotion.

Ever been to NI?

That's why my Mil finds them very uncomfortable (she's from NI) and sees too many similarities.

@Dinosauratemydaffodils Sinn Fein or DUP?

Or others? Or all of the above?

I've been to NI but only for work.

I went to Ireland for my honeymoon so been both sides of the border.

Never talked politics or religion though did put my foot in it in a taxi in Belfast commenting about all the new buildings going up.

@randomsabreuse I didn’t vote last time as no one to vote for. Shaping up to be the same again. It’s incredibly depressing.

I’m a feminist socialist by inclination.

Not entirely sure why I got a particular mention for a kicking upthread by MrsA, since what I said is borne out by their own and others comments about the inefficiency of the vaccine distribution organization. It's been my experience working with parts of the NHS in Scotland that its administration is highly centralised and slow. No shade whatsoever for those on the front line and in most cases their immediate line managers: they work their arses off for not enough money. The Scottish govt should be taking the rap for the problems now, but I don't think those are necessarily happening because of the decisions that have been made in the last few months, rather the pandemic has laid bare the systemic issues that have built up over a decade of benign neglect.

@kurtrussellsbeard DUP mostly. Most of her brothers and cousins won't hear any criticism of Arlene whatsoever. I have quite a few Sinn Fein voters/supporters in my family and they're equally entrenched I feel (that might be because I haven't forgiven or forgotten their criticism of dh...apparently I let the family down).

cheese and onion Kettle Chips please - large bag!

My DGM (paternal) was from NI and hated the SNP. Saw many similarities.

My DGM (maternal) was German and again saw many similarities between nationalism there and here. (she saved many lives in WW2, won national hero award of some sort - proud GD here!)

DUncle now lives in Canada - near Quebec and again sees many comparisons.

None of them have any thing good to say about nationalism or independence. Hence why my family are totally anti SNP.

@jabbathebutt point 1 and 3 I would accept to an extent. Are you really claiming with a straight face that Scottish Nationalism is anything like German nationalism during the war? Really?

Don't make me pull out my anti SNP bingo card that I did post on another thread and I was very surprised to see didn't get deleted!

@kurtrussellsbeard

That's because there's a cause with the SNP.

I want Tyrells crisps the red pepper ones.

Yes, but surely all political parties have/ are a cause... To get into government, enact their policies and make life better for everyone as a result. Independence is a different way of doing that (albeit not in itself a particular set of policies or whatever) but it does seem to succeed in grabbing hold of the psyche of supporters, in a way general political engagement doesn't. And I don't think it's they are more passionate for their cause than the average political activist. It just seems to "present" differently, as a part of the person, rather than just a cause they are supporting.

Still no clipboard, high viz or salmon vaccine certificate here.

DH is instead painting cupboards and today went to see his Mum who was having a washing machine delivered. She lives 500m away and he rang, said he was leaving (by car) and immediately she began phoning and phoning. Ringing off. Phone again. He was probably on her front steps as she picked up the phone to demand he appear immediately.

Meanwhile, I was attempting to act like a professional and teach "Macbeth" to a class of teenagers. "Phone, Miss. Phone. Get the phone."

I long for the classroom.

We need to vaccinate like crazy. Non-stop. All day. Every day.

I want normal. Not new normal. But normal.

And I have chocolate for the grumpy bench.

I don't get the point of eating yoghurt. I might use it to make a marinade or something but why eat it on its own? It doesn't fill you up. Also unless you fill it with sugar, it tastes like crap.