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[WaxOnFeckOff]

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[quote Coquohvan]@MrsAmaretto thank you for what you are doing I and many others really do appreciate it.
@gingernets yes all devolved nations pay towards the UK Armed Forces. Its the fact she hasn’t asked for help that has shocked us, it was offer prior but declined, when we are obviously struggling doing the vaccines. No devolved government in my understanding can activated Forces help without UK governments authority, hence why they asked. Mrs Armaretto explains why we are struggling so well.[/quote]
Yes. All of this. MrsAmaretto is a . But I thought the point was that it wasn't just going to be left to NHS staff, as they are knackered and, yes, have their day jobs. The district nurses I'm sure are doing their damndest to jab the housebound in the most vulnerable groups, and if that is taking a bit longer than planned due to the logistics then so be it. But the rollout of other people to jag the less vulnerable population just doesn't seem to be going nearly as quickly as it could. Pps on this thread have been approved for bank work but not called up, someone's colleague recently retired as a nurse but isn't being used, people are turning up for training and being sent away again, cis's DH hasn't even been given his clipboard yet to vaccinate salmon (or something)... It just looks like utter incompetence in getting the willing and available workforce to the places where they are needed.

kurt I don't think that's the gist at all - I can't understand why I've got intelligent friends that support scot govt without proper scrutiny, on vaccines, education, the constant Scotland is better and different narrative and independence plans.

My conclusion isn't that they aren't intelligent as I know that's not true, more like the govt is in act of faith/belief territory.

Oh yes... Please can you scrunch up on the grumpy bench for me... I can bring gin and some cheese based snacks.

@kurtrussellsbeard I’m no fan of any politicians or parties. I do think it’s weird that anyone gives blanket support to everything their party of choice does, even if it’s self evidently poor. Political parties can do good and bad things 🤷🏻‍♀️

I despise Boris and his regime. But they’re doing a bloody good job of rolling out the vaccine.

I don’t like Nicola Sturgeon and her regime, and they are doing a bad job of rolling out the vaccine. This affects me as I live in Scotland.

Joining the grumpy bench as I've been looking at info on the virus mutations and feeling pessimistic.

The South Africa variant has occurred naturally in parts of England, so it seems like that's the next "logical" mutation for the virus to take. But the scientists who are talking about this are saying we need to keep community transmission as low as we can so that it doesn't continue to mutate, as eventually it could mutate away from what's covered effectively by the vaccines.

So my pessimistic outlook here is that lockdowns will continue for a much longer time, because the government just loves having us all under the thumb and has this next excuse of "we can't let it mutate".

Someone pass the gin.

What snacks are you bringing to the spiky corner?

I don't think there is anyone questioning your intelligence Kurt, is there anything you are unhappy with that the government have done?

You've either missed my point or I've worded it badly. @WouldBeGood

Why do you assume that all SNP supporters give blanket support? That's not my experience. I agree that the vaccine rollout is very poor. I think education has been dealt with beyond poorly. On balance, and in my opinion, I'm still happy overall with Scot Gov. while being very unhappy about these specific issues.

I only mentioned Boris and Arlene to make the point that supporters of all governments will be happy with some things and not others. They'd probably still vote Tory or DUP or whatever.

Show me a government that gets everything right for everyone.

No not my intelligence specifically to be fair. Not yet anyway. @titsbumfannythelot

There are repeated comments along the lines of 'I can't believe they just believe everything they're fed' kind of thing.

I'm not a fan of the govt or NS ( shocker I know!)

I often wonder what my views would have been without these threads. I genuinely value the intelligent debate from like minded individuals but also from different viewpoints too.

It's not the intelligent (or otherwise) people who have a broad support for a party but can see flaws. I think that's how it should be, you might support 60 or 70% of a parties policies but be uncomfortable about the rest. I'd say that pretty normal, and whilst I might not agree with what you think, I respect your right to think what you think.

The issue is that there are lots of people (on here and otherwise) that cannot ever bring themselves to criticise or find fault with the Scottish government or the SNP and its really bizarre.

I'll be honest @titsbumfannythelot I don't think you get intelligent debate here. There are some clearly very intelligent and knowledgable posters and then someone else comes along and says something cringeworthy and spoils it.

There's a real bitterness here and a real zeal when bringing up SNP / NS failings. It clouds things a bit for me.

This also brings out the very worst in me. Which to be fair is my problem.

Where are these people @WaxOnFeckOff? I certainly don't know any? And apart from one maniac on another recent thread I've never seen it here either.

It's the height of arrogance to assume the thoughts of thousands of other people.

There are a few Kurt but I'm not going to post names.

You want to take a gander at the BBC news fb comments and I have some friends that you just can't mention anything to and ones who post constant absolute shite on social media.

There are folks who will just believe anything that nicola says and will defend it to the hilt.

@kurtrussellsbeard sorry, I misunderstand you.

I’m grumpy too, not coping, and hate all politicians.

Red wine and crisps for me on the grumpy bench

I think the trouble is when you use every opportunity going to have a dig at Westminster then your motives for everything will be questioned.

Every single political party has folk like that. It's not unique to the SNP.

We're not the great unthinking mass so many on this thread love to make us out to be. It really gets on my wick.

As a recent arrival in Scotland I'd say that the SNP is only in charge because the opposition are even more inept/out of touch. Labour got very urban socialist under Corbyn and seem pretty London centric, hence losing their northern seats. Con shifted right in reaction to the Brexit Party, plus Brexit.... Lib Dem (need to get around to cancelling my membership) seem naïve and out of touch - tactically they screwed up with Jo Swinson not spending enough time campaigning in her always marginal constituency hence losing the seat on a tight margin.

Add in that those who want independence will probably vote SNP while those who don't will pick whichever of the other three parties they dislike least, splitting the vote. Tactical voting is all very well but I'd really struggle to vote Tory even as a tactical vote!

But as we've acknowledged many times on this thread - you push at those who have the power. Westminster gets poked at because they hold the ultimate power.

Just as you poke at SNP /Scot Gov because quite rightly they're fucking shit up for me right now - poke poke poke. Quite right.

I want an independent Scotland so that I can actually get within proper poking distance of my government. Accountability is a huge thing for me and I think a more localised power with a far broader range of political parties is exactly the way to do that.

What flavour of crisps?

I’m dull, so plain crisps for me..

Or if I’m feeling wild, those cheese flaky sticks.. can’t remember proper name 😳

@randomsabreuse you are completely correct.
The SNP would cease to exist very quickly if independence were achieved. They are incoherent and lack a proper shared vision. The recent infighting shows that very clearly.

@randomsabreuse the rise of the SNP has been a long term trend caused by Labour taking its natural constituencies for granted, particularly in Scotland. I don't feel the Labour Party really know who they are and what the people they were founded to represent- the working class- want any more. In fact who are the 'working class' these days?

I have Thai sweet chilli Sensations or quavers - posh house we have...

I also have 8 yoghurts that go out of date tomorrow - we'll probably 7 soon.

And a tub of Celebrations.

Don’t like yoghurts

*petulant anti yoghurt post