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J&J - The no more Tiers formula...

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WaxOnFeckOff · 31/01/2021 19:35

Another new Fred...

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anon444877 · 02/02/2021 15:57

My older one has been doing better this time too dinna and it's funny because I'd say the younger one is doing a lot worse this time - the older one has learned some organising and tech skills. The younger one is totally fed up and missing the fun bits of school.

Dinnafashyersel · 02/02/2021 15:57

MissEliza it won't just be refusals. Not everyone can be vaccinated. Also if someone is "end of life" there must surely be a judgement call.

Does anyone know if the % quoted is simply based on the estimated cohort? I assume it must be as otherwise they would have been able to give an exact figure of those eligible which they haven't up till now. If it is a % of a target rather than a registered number then they actually have no idea how many they have missed.

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WaxOnFeckOff · 02/02/2021 16:03

yeah, it will be estimated but to be fair it's a number that will change on a daily basis as people die, are born, have birthdays that move them from one group to another, leave care jobs, join the NHS etc etc.

It should be pretty close tbh but i'm not sure how close as the NHS figure is well over the target given.

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BusyDreaming · 02/02/2021 16:04

The total obsession with being ‘better’ than England is so divisive and unpleasant.
Hell would freeze over before the SNP could admit that perhaps something is working well in England.

I’m involved in the vaccinations down here ( in a very small way) and it feels so incredibly positive.
We want everyone to be vaccinated as quickly and efficiently as possible.

On Friday, when the SNP appeared to be siding with the EU and threatening to make public details of the vaccine, there was a feeling of disbelief and disgust among my friends. ( mix of Scottish and English)
I see they went quiet on that as events unfolded.

An example of being ‘offered’ the vaccine in England is this - my very elderly neighbour was offered the vaccine at the local health centre but as that would involve her and her carer driving there, waiting and being around other people, she decided to wait 1 week when the GP came to her house to administer the vaccine.

My DM has had her vaccination in Glasgow yesterday for which she and I are very grateful.
Similarly, I’m delighted to hear of friends and family receiving the vaccine north and south of the border because I’m not the sort of person who revels in people, populations or countries doing ‘worse’.

Dinnafashyersel · 02/02/2021 16:04

anon it is the fun and her friends DD3 misses too. Hard work engaging my fun side as the "oldest DM in the playground" but I am making a conscious effort this time and it seems to be helping. No idea how I would do that if I also had to hold down a job.

SiL in England has an 8 and 5 year old. She has applied for furlough because she is finding balancing them with work impossible and her DH is nursing his newish business through the morass of restrictions.

Iwillneverbesatisfied · 02/02/2021 16:09

I read that some reasons for vaccination refusals include a belief that the vaccines are not vegan or halal? I have no idea if that is true (and personally don't care)

Lockdownbear · 02/02/2021 16:20

Did someone not mention a housebound relation who was invited to the surgery for vaccine was put down as a refusal when they couldn't make it?

NotAnActualSheep · 02/02/2021 16:22

Well, at least there's a (possible) date for some children now, which is something. I'd assumed it would be 2 rather than 3 weeks, but fair enough. So if they confirm that in 2 weeks (15th) and give "2 weeks notice" for older primary, that would be early March for them to go back (?) though that seems wishful thinking to announce dates even before the youngest are back. And I have no idea how they will move from 5% secondary to full education in anything like a realistic timescale Sad. I'm quite shocked there wasn't any consideration of ASN children though, which seems a huge omission.

I have no idea how the quarantine thing would work, tbh. Presumably any of the very few people travelling from abroad will now travel to Newcastle, Manchester or even London, and travel up north on the train or similar to do their planned quarantine in their own homes. So scuppering what tiny business Scottish airports were doing. So that seems sensible Confused.

Peppafrig · 02/02/2021 16:26

Between p1 and p3 and keyworkers children it seems like schools will be nearly full in some places .

Perihelion · 02/02/2021 16:28

No idea how they're going to organise the practical element of PE, seeing as how at the moment no sport is allowed indoors and no contact sport, outdoors. Kind of fucked really.

rookiemere · 02/02/2021 16:34

It's actually more positive than I was expecting regarding the schools. I thought she'd hold off on all but nursery for a lot longer.

For those of us with bridesmaid DCs in non exam years, we can only hope-as everyone does I suppose- that younger DCs going back don't impact the downwards trajectory of new cases and that vaccine rollout picks up a bit of pace before we get hit by any more nasty new variants.

goodname · 02/02/2021 16:35

Do you think you’d have to send your p1-3s back in. Just thinking of friends who have one kid in p5 and one in p3 which will def lead to some tantrums from one or the other of the kids 😬

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WaxOnFeckOff · 02/02/2021 16:37

@goodname

Do you think you’d have to send your p1-3s back in. Just thinking of friends who have one kid in p5 and one in p3 which will def lead to some tantrums from one or the other of the kids 😬
I'd imagine that home-schooling would then stop for the P3s as the teachers would be needed full time in school delivering lessons?
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goodname · 02/02/2021 16:39

Yeah I would think so but hopefully it would just be a couple of weeks in which she could learn along with her sibling I guess.
I don’t imagine it will be recommended but hopefully not totally frowned upon either
Mine are both above p3 level which I’m almost glad about as I’d prefer to keep them both at home to keep each other company and avoid the inevitable arguments

Groovee · 02/02/2021 16:39

Have been told via text from Dd, my mum, my friend and dh that I am back in nursery with the children from the 22nd. Then Dd has offered to do my testing. I'd really like the jag now!

I'm off work until the 16th now. The last 11 weeks have taken their toll and I need some downtime.

makingitupaswegoon · 02/02/2021 16:41

Cautiously optimistic about school return date but won't actually believe it until night before.

Re vaccinations, I don't understand why they aren't making it easier for people to take up vaccines by offering appointments close to their homes. i really don't understand the logic of the massive walk through centre at the EICC in Edinburgh - so inconvenient for a vast majority of residents which live outwith the city centre. For me 40-50 mins to get to on public transport, and no cheap parking nearby, and most of the rest of the centres on the west side of Edinburgh.

Lockdownbear · 02/02/2021 16:49

@goodname

Do you think you’d have to send your p1-3s back in. Just thinking of friends who have one kid in p5 and one in p3 which will def lead to some tantrums from one or the other of the kids 😬
I'd think you'd have to send them or be marked absent. Teachers won't be doing online stuff and in class.

I'm thinking it would be a minimum of 3 weeks before the other kids go back. They'll want to see the impact of nursery on the R number, and do 2 weeks notice unless the rates drop significantly.

Gawd knows what they are thinking about PE and transport for kids who rely on school buses etc

Iwillneverbesatisfied · 02/02/2021 16:51

will home schooling for other year groups be affected due to demands on teachers to potentially do both in school and home school (thinking of the older age groups in secondary)

MaxNormal · 02/02/2021 16:55

It does annoy me though that some people are actually refusing the vaccination.

I can't have the vaccine. I'm sorry that my future refusal will annoy you, but your annoyance will be preferable to it's risks to my health.

diamondsandrose · 02/02/2021 17:05

@Groovee I'm also back in nursery on 22nd. But have an s2 and an s4 who will now be at home attempting a full timetable of home schooling. My head is going to explode! Happy for the wee ones but feel like crying for my own kids ( and me ) this is not going to be good

Waverless · 02/02/2021 17:10

I'm pleased for those with pre schoolers, winter weather and no where to go would've driven me insane, let alone adding on the pressures of trying to work!

If they need to see how this affects transmission then are we looking at a couple of weeks before they even announce return for the rest of primary? Or if England's schools go back on 8th March would that add pressure to NS?

There's 6 weeks from the 22nd until we break up for Easter so I'm hoping and hoping all of primary will open by then!

Groovee · 02/02/2021 17:10

[quote diamondsandrose]@Groovee I'm also back in nursery on 22nd. But have an s2 and an s4 who will now be at home attempting a full timetable of home schooling. My head is going to explode! Happy for the wee ones but feel like crying for my own kids ( and me ) this is not going to be good [/quote]
My colleague has a P6, S2 and S4 and is wondering how she's going to manage being back full time.

Waverless · 02/02/2021 17:12

And I'm guessing there will be more upper stage primary kw children in with parents who are early years workers.

diamondsandrose · 02/02/2021 17:16

Yes exactly , the reason I can afford to work is that my children are older! Am feeling very stressed I just don't know how I'm going to manage

Invisimamma · 02/02/2021 17:17

I have a p2 and a p6. I am really pleased about today's news as it will take the pressure off our family situation to get the younger one back in school. Not having to supervise the p2 school work will let me get on with my own job.
The p2 will be upset he has to go to school and his siblings doesn't and my p6 will be upset his brother is back at school with his friends. But that's life they'll just need to deal with that.

School transport in our area has never stopped, the key worker and vulnerable kids are still getting the school bus service as usual, albeit a nearly empty bus.

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