If the SNP win a referendum on Scottish independence, what do you think the criteria will be for moving there and getting a Scottish passport?

[Kendodd]

I'm English, live in England but love Scotland. If they became independent I would definitely want to move there if at all possible (if they let me). What do you think the rules would be for moving there and citizenship?

Do you think the Scottish/EU passport thing would be the same as Ireland ?
My dad is desperate to get a Scottish passport via his Grandad !

www.snp.org/policies/pb-what-action-will-the-snp-to-improve-trans-and-intersex-equality/

@Kendodd OP you have made the category error of making a pro Scottish post on Scotsnet. Please retract any positive message and be willing to accept a pile on from unionists who'll be happy to tell you how bad everything is here.
It's great in Scotland. Health care and education are both good and continue to improve. All under 25s are soon to get free bus passes. People love Scotland and want to come here on holiday, in normal times. You're welcome too if you come here to contribute either financially or as a member of society. Please don't buy to let. That's what we don't need here, absent landlords and air B and B aren't popular.

@Fencil I guess your child must be failing and won't go to uni then having been through such a terrible system?

I don't think that getting into uni (any uni) means much.

Children should be reaching their potential. I don't think that's happening in Scotland. There's too much ideology and not enough concern for every category of child.

@Fencil I suppose they will probably be a terrible failure though due to such a shocking system, I would be surprised if they have any qualifications at all ?

@Fencil as far as I am aware there is only one category of child which is "under 18".

As for denying that Woke is an issue in Scotland - either you never read the paper, you don't live in Scotland or you just automatically deny everything negative about Scotland and the SNP. Whichever of these it is, you shouldn't be commenting.

@StarryEyeSurprise

Re tax I see what you mean now pp.

Not a sheep, don't be so ridiculous.

I was responding to the post I quoted, which didn't allow for post-independence residency based on residency pre-independence. Sorry that you think that's ridiculous, but it seems harsh to me, given the likely importance of immigration to an independent Scotland. Residency based round birthplace, or specific (undefined) work skills doesn't sound like a particularly welcoming place to me. Having said that, I really don't know whether we would stay here if Scotland did become independent (as I don't think it's in the best interests of Scotland or the UK and I'm not sure I want to be part of the fallout or deal with the jingoism, as per brexit) and I really hope that we are given some time to recover from covid (and brexit) before starting any more constitutional wrangling.

@Fencil I do live in Scotland and am obviously better informed than you. Woke is a ludicrous insult to use. I don't mind being called woke if it means I'm not racist and don't want people to be discriminated against for any reason. It's usually used by people who tend towards supporting Trump, Brexit etc.
As for the non story about the hate crime bill, it's well seen you have no idea of the committee process in the Scottish parliament which scrutinises legislation and is cross party.

@Fencil you still haven't said whether your child is managing to succeed in our terrible education system???
Perhaps because you are a UK government bot?
I am perfectly entitled to comment in an Internet forum thanks

As a chartered tax advisor, the IFS are the first place to look if you want impartial viewpoints on fiscal matters. As a rule of thumb, Corbyn - magic money tree, SNP - magic money tree, Lib Dem’s - sensible stuff (but no one is going to vote for them) Tories - NHS going to go bust, lying about what a disaster Brexit is, horrible inequalities.

If we want all of the freebies that Scotland gives out (using UK money) and to balance the bold we need to raise the basic rate of income tax for everyone by a lot. Personally I am all for that, but saying otherwise is just not being honest.

Of course those resident in Scotland would get Scottish nationality. It would be ridiculous to argue otherwise. Thinking about Estonia again, they had a terrible time under the Russians, but allowed Russian residents to stay when the USSR collapsed.
Who is "Scottish" anyway? Since Scotland isn't an independent country at the moment. It's a fairly meaningless word.

Balance the books.

GERS figures are estimates and in no way reflect the finances of an independent Scotland. No idea why the SNP even bother publishing them.

Karma - I've already stated that my idea of a successful education system is one that helps all children to achieve their potential. Potential which will be different for different children. I don't believe that the Scottish education system is achieving that, or is intended or designed to achieve that. I haven't suggested that every child in the Scottish education system ends up living on the street. That doesn't make Scotland Estonia, from an education perspective.

Funny how those who delight in using Pisa scores as an example of how terrible Scottish education is ignore that Scotland is one of the highest on that score for critical thinking.

But you can't base how an education system performs on one study that focuses on 15 year olds. I would look at how most kids from deprived areas are now leaving school with qualifications, the number of kids excluded has dropped dramatically in the past 6 years(the opposite has been going on in England). Also, there has been a huge drive to reach children who are care experienced, a group that would leave with no qualifications. Reaching all these children has a positive impact on all of society in so many ways. A better goal to strive for I think.

But in my experience (primary kids and secondary kids) the schools in Scotland completely fail to help the most able achieve their potential. I even had the head of my daughters primary tell me that his ‘social conscience’ meant that he had to concentrate resources at the least able. I had to point out that the Education Act requires an education that meets the needs of ALL children.

@Amortentia totally agree with this. The PISA figures are largely discredited and many governments are looking at ways of changing the scoring. Famously there is a correlation between attainment in these scores and the amount of ice cream eaten by the country.
@Fencil interestingly Estonia and its neighbours have a massive interest in Robert Burns and his works have a huge influence in that country. They are a wee bit obsessed with Scotland there.

I love Scitland, which as a country in it's own right has Scottish people. However as an ex SNP supporter Scotland has become very woke and anti women in the last few years. The SNP have lost sight of their reason for being and are being stretched in many directions which seem to involve being seen as the most welcoming country that supports is citizens in all ways. In many ways it does support its citizens well, however education is a massive failing. I have met few education staff that feel cfe is better than the 5-14 it replaced. It is too broad with too little focus on core skills to ensure that all our children have the basic skills for life when they leave schools. It is massively underfunded and survives on goodwill of staff in many cases. GIRFEC is a joke, we struggle to get it right for those who need minimal support when in classes of 33 with no psa and kids who 5 years ago would have been supported fully. Those children who need support or quiet and undemanding are often missed even with the best teachers.
Our education system isn't awful though but it could be so much better. Ministers need to stop chopping and changing things numerous times, we can spend 1 years sip working on a key element of government policy only for it to be thrown out the next year.
What will an independent Scotland look like? No one knows, but will it be much worse than what we have now? How long does the UK have left in its current format? Will the north of England continue to be dictated to by Westminster that often seems to not represent it? Perhaps change is in everyones future or perhaps we will all stay the same.

@EachDubh "woke and anti women" doesn't look like the same country to me.
The tiny minority of trans activist idiots on social media do not reflect reality. There are many trans people just living quiet lives who need to feel accepted just as gay people did in the 90s during section 28 days.
We can't turn back time and deny this.
Women don't have any fewer rights or privacy than before. People who do bad things are still wrong.
Fighting over this is ludicrous. It's actually reinforcing misogyny which exists in Scotland and does need challenged. But the people who are misogynistic are certainly NOT woke.

@kamalasshaman I wish you were right but unfortunately the trans activists have been infiltrated by a very vocal minority who are determined to stamp on our hard earned rights. Take a look at the feminist chat section and you will see the concerns.

We managed to continue to have sex as a legal definition when there was an attempt to replace with gender which of the government had got its way would have meant that anyone could declare themselves as a woman and obtain our hard one rights.

@Selkiesarereal I think we really need to look carefully at what we are saying especially in the feminist threads. At first glance it's easy to get sucked in to the drama but these activists and criminals are a tiny minority of people. Giving one group access to their rights does not diminish the rights of another group. The argument that trans people don't deserve their rights protected will be turned next on women so we must be careful what we wish for! Also knowing a couple of trans people and their struggle and accepting them as part of the fabric of life does tend to change your world view.

This is really derailing the poor OPs thread

If the education was good in Scotland then maybe certain people could understand that anti-snp is not the same thing as anti-independence.
Beware the SNP blasphemy law they keep trying to pass.