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No More Tiers (Enough is Enough)

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WaxOnFeckOff · 18/01/2021 15:24

Here it is - thread 365 - was getting too twitchy....

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RaspberryCoulis · 22/01/2021 14:54

@LetItGoGo

Was it Professor Sridhar?
No, It was a female academic from a London university. Indian accent, unlike Sridhar who sounds American.

Found her. Dr Deepdi Gurdasani. She is quoted on the BBC site as saying:

"although vaccines were “critical”, even once the top four priority groups are vaccinated there will still be many more vulnerable groups who will not have received a vaccine by mid-February.

“It’s really worrying this rhetoric that vaccines are this end point that will allow us to open up society when the majority of people will not be protected from infection,” she told the BBC.

“We need a long term plan so that once restrictions are eased we don’t end up exactly in the situation [of] needing yet another lockdown.”

She added that this included an effective test-and-trace system and quarantine measures at borders."

She was basically saying no travel, no kids in school, no nothing until the virus disappears in a puff of smoke. Which is probably fine if the only single thing you have to worry about is Covid. But there are lots more things the government has to think about.

latortugafeliz · 22/01/2021 15:00

shouldistop I'm sorry, it's bloody difficult. Been doing the same for the past ten months with a then newborn and then 2 year old, the days when nursery was open and I managed to go to a baby class felt so good and now we're back to this. And my second baby didn't get the memo about "slotting right in", he basically needs to be in close contact with me 24/7...
Even though it's a faff, I do find fresh air for everyone helps. Solidarity!

WouldBeGood · 22/01/2021 15:01

Wtaf is the point of the vaccine, then?

Lockdownbear · 22/01/2021 15:01

I can't see us having full lockdown until summer. The economy and peoples MH can't take it.

However I do think some form of social distancing will be with us until ALL adults have both doses of the vaccine.
The are saying September for the first dose for all adults, but we'll be well into next winter for everyone to have the second dose.
I imagine they'll want the students done before they go to Uni avoid a repeat of this year.

Groovee · 22/01/2021 15:15

Dd has finally got an appointment for her Covid vaccine. It's taken 7 weeks and now dh is home I am feel stressed that dd or I bring it home.

IncludeWomenInTheSequel · 22/01/2021 15:22

The point of the vaccine is that it stops a lot of serious illness and a lot of deaths, but that it will take time to properly take effect.

That's quite different from no vaccine at all.

I know it's really hard, but the big picture looks better than the day to day.

Lockdownbear · 22/01/2021 15:24

@WouldBeGood

Wtaf is the point of the vaccine, then?
Without the vaccine we'd be in this mess for 3/4 years possibly longer depending on how long natural immunity lasts. Spanish flu lasted 4 years, and came in 4 waves, the second was the most deadliest. They had masks and some social distancing but 4 years to reach a natural immunity.

Spanish flu & swine flu are both strain H1N1. So it rears its head now and again. And covid will likely do the same.

WouldBeGood · 22/01/2021 15:26

I’m all for a vaccine, to be clear.

But restrictions need to be lifted when the vulnerable are done.

I’m too old to spend my life like this and my ds is too young.

RaspberryCoulis · 22/01/2021 15:28

Yup agree. Get the vulnerable done and let the rest of us get on with it.

WaxOnFeckOff · 22/01/2021 15:33

Yes that has my vote too. Life isn't without risk and the risk to the generally healthy population is low. The other risks of lockdown haven't been balanced here.

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WaxOnFeckOff · 22/01/2021 15:34

And at that point we should only be using testing as a diagnostic tool for people who are actually ill. Tracking should stay in place if required.

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Bytheloch · 22/01/2021 15:35

I saw a theory about not oversharing the vaccine impact (and figures) because it will mean the compliance levels around restrictions will fall, as people start to believe the most vulnerable are now protected.
Agree with that.
I’m not sure anyone will want to wait around for the youngest, strongest and healthiest to be vaccinated too.

WaxOnFeckOff · 22/01/2021 15:37

saw this re qualification requirements that might be useful for those with DC in 4th-6th year.

www.sqa.org.uk/sqa/96037.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=subject_guidance&utm_content=update_page&fbclid=IwAR06p1FMN4yqCo9lGZJNPjZrsotuPg0I5NpNtlw2x2MPEZGyV8z2f4nFGiI

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LetItGoGo · 22/01/2021 15:38

I see that but I think the hopelessness it makes a portion of the population feel is really bad news.

Dinnafashyersel · 22/01/2021 15:38

Dr Deepti sounds every bit as divorced from reality as Zero Devi.

Dinnafashyersel · 22/01/2021 15:45

Oh and according to the latest ONS infection prevalence data it turns out the Kent variant is in decline Almost like London and the SE just had a bit of a catch up with the NW, who had been struggling all Autumn, and nothing to do with superspready new variants at all.

Iwillneverbesatisfied · 22/01/2021 15:48

should carers not get it if they care at home for a vulnerable adult or child?

Dinnafashyersel · 22/01/2021 15:55

Just back from our walk in the sun. Loads and loads of grandparents out and about with their toddler grandchildren just the same as normal. No criticism because there are a lot of essential workers in my area and this is childcare within the rules. Also it was a perfect day for a mucky walk in the woods and the best health boost for old and young alike. However it does make an absolute farce of locking up all the other children and their parents 24/7.

LetItGoGo · 22/01/2021 15:57

It was a lovely bright day today. Kids out playing here. I was glad to see it.

runningpink · 22/01/2021 16:13

@littlbrowndog your welcome! Have fun!

Hope your afternoon has gone better @shouldistop?

Bytheloch · 22/01/2021 16:23

Lovely sunshine here too, bloomin freezing though, but makes a massive difference to be walking in the bright light.

shouldistop · 22/01/2021 17:18

@runningpink it was better thank you. We spent 2 hours down at the park, some nursery friends were there. Ds1 would have been happy to stay all day but I was frozen even wearing thermals.
Friday night is pizza night and ds is getting his tablet time so I'm having a bottle of beer while dh has ds2 in the sling.

runningpink · 22/01/2021 17:25

I’m so glad you managed to get out and your day improved.
I wanted pizza but have none...can I join pizza might please?!
Enjoy that beer and remember you are doing an amazing job.

runningpink · 22/01/2021 17:27

Just seen Boris came on at 5pm.
Anyone catch what it’s about, if you can understand through all his waffling?

Not more bad news please. Although that’s probably wishful thinking

Peppafrig · 22/01/2021 17:30

The new Kent variant is more deadly than the original variant