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Don't tier the pants out of it.

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Cismyfatarse · 11/01/2021 21:31

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anon444877 · 15/01/2021 19:00

Sounds horribly painful grovee fingers crossed for treatment soon.

Dinnafashyersel · 15/01/2021 19:01

Probably doesn't feel like it but that is sorta good news Groovee.

Was sitting on my hands earlier as DD1 had her gallbladder out a couple of years ago. She was so young and had so much inflammation when they scanned her they missed it. She stopped throwing up after a week of being given IV antibiotics and fluids and got discharged. As soon as the antibiotics finished and she tried to start eating she deteriorated again. Operated on as an emergency and already on the mend by next day.

All the best for a similarly speedy resolution for Mr Groovee and a restful bit of r&r for you in the meantime. MN needs a "Big Hug" emoticon.

WouldBeGood · 15/01/2021 19:04

Oh, @Groovee hope he feels better soon , and that you get a good sleep. You’ve had an awfully hard time 💐

Dinnafashyersel · 15/01/2021 19:07

Stats hormone imbalances can trigger it which is why it is common in menopause but also why they should probably watch for it in pregnancy. My DD is very tall and went through puberty quite late which can apparently also cause higher than average hormone disruption (that said nurse on the medical ward said she had been nursing over 30 years and never seen it in anyone as young as DD1).

StatisticallyChallenged · 15/01/2021 19:11

@Dinnafashyersel

Stats hormone imbalances can trigger it which is why it is common in menopause but also why they should probably watch for it in pregnancy. My DD is very tall and went through puberty quite late which can apparently also cause higher than average hormone disruption (that said nurse on the medical ward said she had been nursing over 30 years and never seen it in anyone as young as DD1).
There seems to be some (under investigated) link with hyperemesis too - they know crash dieting can have an impact and I guess from a physical perspective hyperemesis may be similar. I had it in both pregnancies. Whether it's causation, correlation with hormone issues or both who knows
Groovee · 15/01/2021 19:17

I had mine out in 2010 which is why I tried to get him to go sooner. He's some man!

NotAnActualSheep · 15/01/2021 19:33

Oh god. So sorry to hear that groovee. What a nightmare, but I suppose good that it has been identified and he is at least now in the right place. Flowers to you both, and I hope your injuries are recovering too!

On the "how t f is is spreading and how t f can we stop it" front, I saw a thread on twatter earlier about the number of people failing to self isolate, even those with symptoms. Now, I may be missing something, but if we focus energies on anything to stop community spread, it must be this, surely? Why fart around with queues outside greggs of (probably) healthy people when Stuart down the road with a cough and a positive test is still working because he is on a zero hours contract and won't get paid if he doesn't work, and the 500 quid (or whatever) isn't enough to pay his rent and bills. It must be cheaper to pay the full salary (or even 80%, like furlough) of anyone asked to self isolate because of symptoms or as a contact... deliver a wodge of food for however many are in the house, and ensure that people are available to help them with any necessary medicines, take over their out-of-home caring responsibilities and so on. Someone on the thread suggested voluntary quarantine hotels, for anyone worried about passing it on in the household, which isn't a bad idea.

It may be totally impractical and unfeasible, but surely the people we need to keep away from others are those with the virus, or those with some likelihood of having it - not so much someone who wants to pick up a takeaway, or collect some printer paper for homeschooling but otherwise hasn't left the house for 5 days. So if we know 30% (or whatever) of infected people aren't self isolating properly, isn't it a no brainer that we have to focus on those people first?!

NotAnActualSheep · 15/01/2021 19:42

This was the graph I was talking about... but the whole thread is worth a read.
twitter.com/rowlsmanthorpe/status/1349493375037222913?s=19
(I'm a bit confused why so many people are isolating more than 21 days... could be long running symptoms, maybe, but the proportion seems high. I may actually read the report!!)

But anyway, nearly 40% not fully self isolating. So of the 2000ish people in Scotland recorded as positive each day, 800 could be walking around in the community while infectious, and knowing they are infectious (likely because they gave no choice, though could be they just don't understand/ care). That's not great, really.

RaspberryCoulis · 15/01/2021 19:51

@StatisticallyChallenged

Mine went while I was pregnant with number 2. Was put down to indigestion... patronising twaddle. Then, like you *@raspberrycoulis* it went again when baby was about 3 weeks. Simultaneously infected c section scar, breastfeeding, and gallstones. I was that person on the ward with a newborn...
I didn't go to hospital - the doctor came in the middle of the night and gave me a magic injection and I slept for about 8 hours. (So did the baby after I fed him). I didn't have one big stone, it was like sand or gravel. It finally came out when he was 8 months old. My own GP said she thought it was oestrogen related, your hormone levels are all over the place when your pregnant so it makes sense.

Very glad I had it out though. DH had his out about 5 years ago, we spotted the symptoms very quickly because of what I'd been through.

StatisticallyChallenged · 15/01/2021 19:53

Totally agree, this is what needs to be dealt with. It was me who mentioned the voluntary quarantine facilities which whilst they wouldn't work for everyone would make sense for some, especially if there's someone vulnerable in the house.

SSP should be higher for this to encourage people to isolate (shouldn't matter if you are on zero hours as it's based on earnings) with employers able to rapidly reclaim it.

We need to find out why people aren't self isolating and solve those problems.

RaspberryCoulis · 15/01/2021 19:55

Completely. If people aren't complying with isolation then that's what the police should be doing, not harassing people going for a walk.

Groovee · 15/01/2021 19:57

A family member who failed to isolate last year in March is now bellowing stay home at everyone. She honestly is a fanny.

StatisticallyChallenged · 15/01/2021 20:04

"a fanny" - such a scottish insult Grin

NotAnActualSheep · 15/01/2021 20:10

Ah yes, forgot you had mentioned it on here too! (am emerging from a Week of Internal Screaming and haven't really been keeping up with the chat). It was in the twitter thread (just noticed I misspelt that earlier, and autocorrect accepts it as a word I use frequently, apparently Blush) and I do think it sounded like a good idea, as long as not used forcibly alongside door-welding. Surely sorting these things out, (yy raising ssp too) would be cheaper in the long term than raising other benefits and throwing out more business support. The twiddling round the edges of more and more restrictions is putting more people out of work, as well as lowering tax raised and so on... It has to be a more effective use of money than restrictions slowly targeting and killing more and more of the economy.

NotAnActualSheep · 15/01/2021 20:14

@StatisticallyChallenged

"a fanny" - such a scottish insult Grin
Grin Agree! But so satisfying. .. though don't want to be accused of using gender based slurs inappropriately
NotAnActualSheep · 15/01/2021 20:19

@RaspberryCoulis

Completely. If people aren't complying with isolation then that's what the police should be doing, not harassing people going for a walk.
It would also be nice if some of the finger wagging "stay at home so you don't spread green slime" from various podiums (podia?) was focused less at the average guidance - compliant member of the public being made to feel guilty for going to the supermarket or vets, or walking with a friend, and more at people who, for example, travel from one end of the country to the other and then back by train, when symptomatic and confirmed positive...
WouldBeGood · 15/01/2021 20:28

I’d posted a paper earlier in the week.

The vast majority of people are complying despite anecdotal chat. The issue is self isolating and the divide is between people who are well off enough to do so and those who are too poor to do so, much as they would like to. It’s a St Andrew’s university study.

WaxOnFeckOff · 15/01/2021 20:29

and more at people who, for example, travel from one end of the country to the other and then back by train, when symptomatic and confirmed positive...

How thick would you need to be to do that...? Oh wait...:o

Seeing lots of stuff about Jeanne and breaching ministerial code regarding the publishing of the vaccine whereabouts. Now whilst I don't like her or her party and I've not read everything, I don't think that I agree with what the headlines appear to be saying. To me this has been more a stupid mistake than something calculated like deliberately lying to parliament (who would do that!?). I think she has lied on other occasions and has been responsible for some gross negligence but I don't think this particular incident is the hill she should die on.

Hope Mr Groovee get's sorted out soon and returns to the fold and that you get a decent sleep.

WaxOnFeckOff · 15/01/2021 20:36

Interestingly, I had opened the (now removed) vaccine roll out document and hadn't read it but it's still in my open tabs... Blush Shock I wonder how much that's worth on the open market...:o

NotAnActualSheep · 15/01/2021 20:47

@WouldBeGood

I’d posted a paper earlier in the week.

The vast majority of people are complying despite anecdotal chat. The issue is self isolating and the divide is between people who are well off enough to do so and those who are too poor to do so, much as they would like to. It’s a St Andrew’s university study.

Ah yes. I did see that but kept being distracted so didn't get round to commenting (damn you homeschooling, preventing proper mumsnetting)... Different study I think (this one was UCL) but similar findings it seems. In that general compliance with restrictions is pretty good, apart from this one, which is abysmal for various reasons. And I would imagine that's mostly poverty based, as people simply can't afford not to leave the house (either financially, or because others are reliant on them). Yes, there are wankers, but I really don't think (naively?!) that most non-isolators are wankers. Just desperate people with families, and bills and no alternative but to carry on when they are feeling ill, like they normally do. Sad
NotAnActualSheep · 15/01/2021 20:53

@WaxOnFeckOff

Interestingly, I had opened the (now removed) vaccine roll out document and hadn't read it but it's still in my open tabs... Blush Shock I wonder how much that's worth on the open market...:o
Grin Whoops! Yes, with that one I'm definitely plumping for cockup over malice. Not the best, but I can see how it could have happened, with a civil servant publishing the data innocently in the report, and it not getting picked up on. You'd hope governmental review processes were a bit better than that, but I've seen enough now to know that's just crazy talk.
WaxOnFeckOff · 15/01/2021 21:00

Yes, with that one I'm definitely plumping for cockup over malice. Not the best, but I can see how it could have happened, with a civil servant publishing the data innocently in the report, and it not getting picked up on. You'd hope governmental review processes were a bit better than that, but I've seen enough now to know that's just crazy talk.

And I'm not one to give the benefit of the doubt so wondering if I'm ill - thinking of calling 111 and asking if being nice and rational is a covid symptom.

StatisticallyChallenged · 15/01/2021 22:12

The study linked to earlier was from April however; I don't think it's unreasonable to think that compliance will have dropped since then.

WouldBeGood · 15/01/2021 22:25

Compliance is still running at around 90%

WouldBeGood · 15/01/2021 22:26

It is not noncompliance that’s fuelling the spread

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