Don't tier the pants out of it.

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DD has picked up 'fanny' as an insult and uses it a lot.

Somehow we let her away with that and not the other F word

Anyway, thank fuck its the weekend. Although what to do?

Might tackle massive pile of ironing - joy! and need to prepare for 2 more interviews coming up.

I've got an ironing mountain, oooh the exciting choices. Dc2 wants me to play a mountain of board games with her!

That is a really interesting thread NotAnActualSheep.

Just shows lots of data can be interpreted in lots of different ways and generates a lot more heat than light. (Covid is doing a great job picking up the academic slack from Brexit)

Couple of thoughts:

1. Easy to get to 21 plus days isolation. Assume they asked based on ever having self isolated. Used to be 14 days from contact or 7 days from symptoms or longer if symptoms persist. So if you are self-isolating due to contact with someone you live with and start to feel unwell you have to add the 2 periods together. In larger households this effect multiplies. Also wonder if people add together different periods. I know several families where they all isolated due to t&t multiple times and then eventually one of them did test positive (one family I know has had 5 bouts of self-isolation) - again rules on this have changed as now it is only direct contact rather than whole household self-isolation. This may explain the "surprise" that younger people end up isolating longer than older - older households are generally smaller.

2. Also easy to see how people could report almost zero days self-isolation following either contact or symptoms. If contact then I know lots of people who were contacted so late by t&t that the self-isolation period had passed. If it was symptoms then testing negative ends self-isolation prematurely. If you end up in hospital or test positive while in hospital you won't be self-isolating (in terms of how you would answer a survey at least).

3. I also read the data on shopping centres differently. I assume the reason shopping centres are busier than high streets is because a) lots of essential retail including supermarkets are located in shopping centres but not high streets b) it is much easier to avoid people by taking a car to a shopping centre than by walking through a high street.

So whereas the tweeter implies shopping centre footfall relative to high street is higher due to rule bending I actually think the opposite.

Also re shopping centres, ours contains 2 chemists plus stores selling "household" goods and cafes whereas there is very little on our high street and its more spread out and is smaller shops with less allowed customers. Even in normal times, the high street in not a draw, people come to use the shopping centre and only leave for specific shops or to go home or maybe a restaurant.

Guys, I'm part of a Citizen's Panel today run by ScotGov, to discuss ideas for priorities in Scotland in the post-Covid society. Ideas welcome :):):)

@IncludeWomenInTheSequel big focus on education is the thing for me. Raise the standards and give all children the opportunities that that will bring.

@IncludeWomenInTheSequel how the massive education gap is going to be fixed for me is a huge priority!

How to support businesses through very difficult recovery times - suggest removing business rates for a period of time

SOFTPLAY!!!!!!

Parent/toddler clubs and libraries back fully open

Retain anything that has benefits like mobile breast cancer screening services.

Actually focus on economic and societal post covid recovery, rather than pushing for a divisive and costly Independence referendum.

Confirmation that online/part time learning for under 16s was only implemented as a pandemic response and is not intended as a long term teaching proposal, and also for teaching focus on getting minimum teaching standards across all schools.

@IncludeWomenInTheSequel

Guys, I'm part of a Citizen's Panel today run by ScotGov, to discuss ideas for priorities in Scotland in the post-Covid society. Ideas welcome :):):)

Absolutely not an independence referendum. Once in a generation for the referendum, the last thing we need after Brexit and a pandemic is more bloody division.

But forgive me if I'm a little skeptical but I have seen enough of these consultations and "panels" to know that the Scot Gov will put on a bit of a show of listening, and then come out and say there's an overwhelming call for IndyRef2 and no other issues were mentioned.

@IncludeWomenInTheSequel a properly run nhs,with proper funding and an examination of the bed numbers, cuts in them etc. The NHS struggles to cope most winters, throw a pandemic into the mix and it’s a disaster.
Education, it’s not great. It once was, now it’s dropping down international rankings like a stone. Leave alone narrowing the attainment gap, and focus on each child achieving their full potential.
Health inequalities, look at them tackle them properly. Is it not a national shame when you look at Wikipedia there is the Glasgow effect where it details the reduced life expectancy in Glasgow due to poverty etc. I understand that lots of this dates back to the demise of heavy engineering in Glasgow, however this needs to be turned round. We can not continue to allow what happened in the 1980s to impact on our society.
Sorry bit of a rant!

@IncludeWomenInTheSequel my priorities post-COVID would be to focus on getting the key areas subject to the most damage up and running again.

So firstly that's education, with a clear plan of how to catch up pupils on everything they've missed, which could be tied in to an overhaul of education generally to address the weaknesses of the CfE such as patchy provision of certain subjects.

I'd also want to see real effort put into helping people to rebuild their businesses, particularly all those who have gone to the wall because of the restrictions and/or issues getting grants out to them (I believe billions were unaccounted for not that long ago).

I want to see the health service fully functional, with real effort put into treating people made to wait while large sections of the health service were shut down.

On a more hand wavy level some effort to boost a sense of community, after a year of being encouraged to shop your neighbours for COVID 'offences'.

What I don't want to see for a very long time is any kind of push for more constitutional change as that's the last thing we need.

[quote Sweetpotatoaddict]@IncludeWomenInTheSequel a properly run nhs,with proper funding and an examination of the bed numbers, cuts in them etc. The NHS struggles to cope most winters, throw a pandemic into the mix and it’s a disaster.
Education, it’s not great. It once was, now it’s dropping down international rankings like a stone. Leave alone narrowing the attainment gap, and focus on each child achieving their full potential.
Health inequalities, look at them tackle them properly. Is it not a national shame when you look at Wikipedia there is the Glasgow effect where it details the reduced life expectancy in Glasgow due to poverty etc. I understand that lots of this dates back to the demise of heavy engineering in Glasgow, however this needs to be turned round. We can not continue to allow what happened in the 1980s to impact on our society.
Sorry bit of a rant![/quote]
Pretty much my thoughts. You've saved me a bundle of typing.

More teachers, smaller classes esp in primary schools. Improve the chances for all kids 2/3 year waits for special needs diagnosis isn't good that's a long time in a child's life.

More NHS staff, more beds.
More care and support for new mums especially postnatal wards.

Forget independence get on with building the country as it is we don't need another 5 years of unsettling or border control at Gretna

Thank you all! Really interesting to see that most of us have education and inequality top of mind.

You drafting the May manifesto then IncludeWomen?

My top priority would be pandemic resilience so we don't have repeat performances of this every other year.

That would probably mean 1) a move back towards more smaller community hospitals and looking at how to better manage infection control in the community care and nursing home sectors.

2. a big lessons learned exercise on education at all levels. Everything from building design to class size and structure to availability of on-line to supplement learning. eg If large amounts of Uni curriculum can be delivered on-line why do students have to travel between schools for S6 consortium arrangements? If infection control is a problem are open plan infant departments a good idea (our school has upwards of 150 DC between 5-7 in this environment)? If on-line resources can be provided why is there no routine facility for this for DC coping with illness etc?

Lots of scope for positive change which I fear will get dumped in the "too complicated" box once the rush to get back to "normal" takes over.

@RaspberryCoulis

But forgive me if I'm a little skeptical but I have seen enough of these consultations and "panels" to know that the Scot Gov will put on a bit of a show of listening, and then come out and say there's an overwhelming call for IndyRef2 and no other issues were mentioned.

Know what you mean. Our council invites you to participate but the survey questions are always so closed it's not really a gathering of opinion at all.

For me I'd like the SG to lay off the patronising messages. Have you seen the latest?

Have delivered dh some toiletries as he didn't think to pack those. Dd helped me to the food shop. Because of my fibro I struggle with trolleys etc. Now going to have a snooze.

I wonder how much it cost someone to do that advert? It's so easy to get out for a walk on your own when you've got two children you can't leave on their own, and your partner is desperately trying to get some work done.

They don't all go to sleep sharply at 7-8pm! What next, a helpline giving out this kind of advice?

Patronising claptrap. Gives me the rage

If they spent more time and money on actually doing things themselves, rather than lecturing us like naughty, stupid children, things might be a lot better.

Good luck @IncludeWomenInTheSequel - education, education, education. Children's mental health - services with qualified staff and not just phone lines. CAMHs wait list times and provision is a disgrace.

Education! DS1 had a disrupted education due to MH reasons and i assumed wrongly that it would be relatively straight forward to pick up some exam passes at college or evening classes. No, its access classes that are focused on particular areas, not broad like school qualifications. Maths and English are available but that's it. I think we need a version of Nat 5s and Highers designed to be delivered (at least partially) by distance learning, a bit like the IGCSEs that are available to people following the English curriculum. Just think how useful that would have been this year!
Preventative health is obviously somewhere whets there's a lot of room for development, even if it's just adding Vitamin D to bread and milk or flouride to water.

Definitely we need pandemic resistance as this is bound to happen again with the amount of global travel.

Something that seems to get forgotten about is dementia patients and the care they need particularly before they are deemed bad enough for a care home.
Older carers have their own MH and fitness to worry about, ie a chance to see other non demented people to keep stimulated. Younger carers often have children and work to juggle throw in home school and people are at breaking point.
There is also a risk that dementia patients, who are juggled by multiple carers could well be at risk of infection spreading infection.

Wbeezer I think if kids leave school without qualifications they are as well to too at more vocation specific college courses rather than school courses. A National Certificate is a great way to move forward. A different way of teaching makes a change and makes it easier to go on to HNC, HND, and degree courses.

It's interesting so far: very definitely run by the Parliament and not Government, although our recommendations will be given to the Covid Response Committee.

It's quite geeky - about how devolved legislation is created, Barnett, etc. But I'm a Politics grad so that's ok by me.

@WouldBeGood

It is not noncompliance that’s fuelling the spread

Compliance with most things, yes, but compliance with self isolation is around 60% according to the Covid social study which has looked at compliance and many other things since March up til now (and it seems to be based on a relatively self selecting cohort, so you'd expect them to be more engaged with the restrictions etc).

My (admittedly very non expert) opinion is that this is the thing that could increase spread in the community. A non isolating person doing "allowed" things could well be more risky than someone else doing naughty things. So if a person who should be isolating goes to a shop (even if they wear a mask and stay 2m from everyone) seems more likely to cause spread than someone who hasn't been told to isolate meeting 2 other adults for a walk. At least they do demonstrably have the virus to spread in the first place!