Don't tier the pants out of it.

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Thread level 47.

It really is not up to individuals to decide whether or not they follow laws.
I really have had it with this view.
I'm completely scunnered with the restrictions and I understand 3m people have had no support ( and that's not a particularly Scottish problem).
I was too busy working today to catch up with the briefing so guess I am lucky in that respect.
But people saying they want their cleaners and can't they just break the rules and piling hate on any government announcement- it's unbelievable. Look at the deaths in England and the UK as a whole today.

I got my cleaner as I’m really bad at cleaning. I got my lovely new house for me and ds after a terrible traumatic time and living in pretty much squalor. I wanted to keep my new home pristine. I earn very little but have chosen to pay someone (self employed) to ensure it’s always much more sparkling than I can make it.

@WouldBeGood

I tried *@ssd* and the bloody dog cried to go home 😂

Leave the bugger at home

Anyway... I’m going to watch Riviera so I can plan my post Covid luxury lifestyle

@ssd that’s exactly what I’m going to do tomorrow!

I've been banned twice @WaxOnFeckOff

Nat nar ni nar nar

I really need to sit on my hands now, a few times I've deleted my own posts when I'm raging about something or other..
Which is quite a lot these days

@ClosedAuraOpenMind - good point! Thank goodness for that, we’re safe! No political party will risk that

I've been banned twice @WaxOnFeckOff**

Nat nar ni nar nar grin

this year ssd? It wisnae me!

The only thing that annoyed me was that i had written a very long post trying to keep the peace and by the time i posted it I was banned and long post disappeared into the ether - oh well! Sorry not sorry for that then. :o

@WaxOnFeckOff I am reading the room and I don't like it. Can't you see the reason your family couldn't access care is because Covid has put more pressure on the NHS than it can stand? The fall out from these restrictions will not be worse. More deaths from the virus ( not with, or excess) than all civilian casualties in WW2. The restrictions are there to stop us getting to the point the South of England has reached before we vaccinate the ECV If people keep twisting the rules because they are special or they can make it a political scoring game we will get there believe me.

I was in a smoking carriage of a train to Glasgow when the guard decided to - mid journey - declare it no smoking.

I wasn't a smoker but OMG there was some sheer bloody fury. Imagine if you took the alcohol too.

Thousands of grumpy Mumsnetters attempting to home educate truculent teenagers March on Holyrood waving Pom poms and munching Pom bears.

You can take my takeaways but you can't take my gin.

@WaxOnFeckOff I've only been banned in 2020 need to improve

@ikswobel this is a tricky thread. I like it but your face either fits or it doesn't. Some people are allowed to dissent and have opposing opinions and others aren't. Can't work out why. Genuinely.

I think cleaners should be allowed to work. People need these things for their mental health and sanity and many cleaners need and want to work. 🤷🏻‍♀️

There is also a vague whiff of covid skepticism here also which I find a bit confusing. I don't understand what people think the motivation is for all the drama? Why would a government, the medical profession and those of several other countries want all the hoo ha? What would be the motivation?

Misery loves company...I'm "glad" that other folk have had enough today.

I've had it completely failing as

a mum
a wife
a teacher
a daughter
a sister
a friend

I generally hate people, but I do love my people. I'm fed up trying to teach from my kitchen/deal with ASN dc/deal with fuckwits on social media who tell me "your union caused this" (get right to fuck with that one)/not seeing my widowed mum though she lives minutes away/not seeing my FIL who is dying of cancer/not seeing any friends new babies and they are all weaning now/dc whose uni experience has been ruined and they are alone, in student halls, on their own with MH issues before all this even started/trying to support various friends and family because I'm perceived as the "strong" one.

For the 1st time ever I can see why those who choose to end their life are often described as "the last person we ever thought would do that"...I'm not suicidal but I can see how it happens to people.

@Dogscatsandsparrows 💐

I've learnt that you can't and shouldn't judge what you don't know is going on in a person's life so just keep yourself safe and don't judge.
Unless there is a massive house party next door which does require reporting then you have no idea what the true reason is for someone else being in a house.

There can be a mental health reason for having a cleaner or there could be something going on that you have no idea about.

My mum is currently staying with us and will go back to England next week. To my neighbours does it seem like I am breaking the rules..... Yes completely. Reality is I'm not and there are 3 separate exemptions she has for being here I don't have to explain any of these to my neighbours as its none of their business what my personal reasons are for my mum staying. My husband does covid response so we always stick within the rules.

This thread is light hearted relief. For those wishing for rule breaking arguments find another thread!

@Dogscatsandsparrows I promise you are doing an excellent job at all of these things and I am sure you are loved

No, that's not the reason Ikswobel, That's the narrative we were given. While a number of NHS staff were working their buts off, a lot had nothing to do through no fault of their own as their wards were shut or kept for covid patients that never came. My DH was in hospital daily throughout this. If you take into account years of life lost, then this is the worst year since 2006. I never noticed the restrictions and panic in 2006, did anyone else? Don;t compare to WW2. that's insulting. The deaths in WW2 were mainly of people in the prime of life who had many years left of their future, not mainly people who were already older than the average life expectancy and had a DNR. Every one of all these lives were important to someone regardless of age and I am really sorry they died.

The truth is that these restrictions are not appropriate to what we are dealing with.

It's not about political game scoring or being special, it's being fed shite and being told to just accept it.

Anyway, if I'm in a room I find unpleasant, I generally go somewhere else if I can. But you do you.

It was either this year or end of last year I kept being banned, I'm not really sure...I think I was starting too many threads asking why people from the north of England voted for Brexit and I got absolute pelters....mainly for saying either 'Northern England ' or from 'The North of England '...I cant even remember now, but I was the scum of the earth for suggesting they were crazy voting for Brexit

It's not illegal to continue to have a cleaner in your home. The guidance says...

Tradespeople...must only go into someone else’s home to carry out or deliver essential work or services, for example:... domestic cleaner providing services in support of a clean and safe living environment for people in vulnerable circumstance, living with a disability or otherwise unable to clean their own home

So a cleaner is able to go into a house where there are people in vulnerable circumstances (children?), or unable to clean their own home (due to physical, mental or time/ employment constraints, presumably). The concept of cleaning being essential has therefore been established the person who wrote the guidance needs to never ever come to my house so if that can't be done by the householder it is fine to get someone in to be paid to do it. Obviously some people may prefer not to continue to employ the services of the cleaner, if they are able to provide a clean and safe living environment without help (though the cleaner may not be able to do that themselves if too many people stop employing them).

And this is guidance - the law says you can go to work if that work can't be done from home, which is pretty much cleaning by default...

The guidance does also say that when in someone’s house, tradespeople should stay 2 metres apart from the people who live there, wear a face covering and follow good hand and respiratory hygiene. So they should be wearing a mask really, though if they don't want to, and the client is fine with that i can't see anyone complaining.

I do not deny Covid. I do think that the lockdowns don’t work. I do want evidence for draconian measures restricting fundamental human needs.

Other people have different views 🤷🏻‍♀️

I do love how the uk is only ever mentioned unflatteringly...on covid scepticism - I don't think there's any scepticism about the impact on at risk groups at all, I've seen none. Many of us have vulnerable family we are worried about. My DM has worried herself sick all year.

There are concerns about all the things being made illegal, the efficacy of restrictions, the endgame and vaccine rollout, the data collection and cases and restrictions communication and general whinges about how miserable the restrictions are.

@WaxOnFeckOff some hospitals have been quiet. That doesn't mean the system isn't absolutely creaking. NHS Lanarkshire have cancelled all non urgent elective surgery this week.

The info about deaths was on channel 4 news last night it was quite shocking. Despite that the person who was interviewed was confident that the vaccine will have a dramatic effect.
I have probably reached an age now where I just say what I think and if folk don't like it they just have to deal with it. I don't see why we all have to be the same here as it's been said many times on Scotsnet, this is an open forum and you can't choose who comments etc etc etc

Sorry to hear about your troubles @dogscatsandsparrows. I know what you mean about thinking about suicide but not being suicidal.

I found myself checking my life cover and thinking about a friend who jumped off the forth bridge, and the times our trains are cancelled here as people jump in front of trains - too many this past while :( I'm not suicidal either but I can really see why people do it. I used to think it was a selfish thing to do but it's much more than that. I once just didn't get off the bus going to work one day and just sat on it all day going back and forward through the city and then got off back at home at the end of the day. I just couldn't do life that day. I didn't have people relying on me then though, just myself.

Oh @NotAnActualSheep I hope you are being silly now....

The truth is that these restrictions are not appropriate to what we are dealing with.*

According to you. Not according to the many many medical professionals and epidemiologists who have risen to the top of their fields.

Again I ask, if this viewpoint is correct ans these restrictions are not appropriate then why are the governments taking these actions? What is the morivation?