Don't tier the pants out of it.

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[quote Iwillneverbesatisfied]@ikswobel maybe you should check your own privilege as I'm doubtful your income has been affected unlike a cleaners. Not all of them are entitled to support or furlough. I highly doubt you've been following the rules 100% yourself. I wouldn't have a cleaner inside myself and I hate cleaning but I try not to judge those who are keeping their cleaners because you can't make assumptions about other people's circumstances. No doubt you are the same type of person who thinks everyone should wear a mask even those with invisible disabilities like me. If you hate Scotsnet so much, then go elsewhere.[/quote]
Ikswobel didn't say they hated scotsnet. And they have as much right to their opinion as anyone else. Scotsnet is for everyone, not just a select few all agreeing with each other.

@RaspberryCoulis sorry -you are her employer and your home is her workplace.

This is from the website.

"Unable to clean your own home" could be for a huge number of reasons. For example, working in the NHS very long hours and preferring to prioritise work and sleep.

If the cleaner is self employed then RaspberryCoulis is not her employer, she's her client.

To be fair,@ikswobel mist people are not vulnerable to Covid. Doesn’t mean we don’t obey the rules even if they are stupid.

You seem to have an unpleasant need to pick on @RaspberryCoulis which is not in the spirit of this.

And for your information, my cleaner is better off than I am in all this.

@Cismyfatarse

Work was tough today. I am camping in a tiny corner of a room wrapped in a heated electric blanket as the whole house has every door and window open for the builders. Fortunately, I had a "meeting" with another teacher - traditionally done monthly over cake but done today while I watched her eat cake on my screen and I cursed giving my MiL all our remaining Christmas stash.

Pupils, even the most motivated, find working from home tough. Often they need constant keeping on task and don't always manage their own time well so tasks take far longer than they should. This makes giving feedback tough as you can't discuss the answers with a class where many of them have not done the work.

We are campaigning for a longer lunch break. We shortened it when in school because the pupils couldn't really gather except in classrooms. But now we want longer so pupils can eat and get outside as well.

We shall see. I would love time to walk and eat - especially while daylight is so lacking.

I'm finding that with the lunch break. I'd really like to go for a walk but don't have time to walk and eat. By the time I'm finished I have to pick up the girls and it's pretty much dark by then.

I think the problem reality is that most people on the thread today have been critical of the SG as we are all tired, hopeless and pissed off.

@Iwillneverbesatisfied and others who say be kind to each other and I would never judge.... I DO judge.
Because perfectly healthy people with cleaners are breaking the law.
I can't go to visit my mum or have my daughter to visit me but people must have their cleaners.

@WouldBeGood you have an equally unpleasant need to defend her and literally deny Covid.

I’m not denying Covid. Never have.

[quote ikswobel]@RaspberryCoulis sorry -you are her employer and your home is her workplace. [/quote]
Sorry, you are completely and utterly wrong.

She is a self-employed sole trader. I am her client. Employer/employee is a completely different relationship and has different obligations, legally.

I have been a self-employed sole trader myself for about 15 years so I do kinda know what I'm talking about.

@RaspberryCoulis you still have health and safety responsibilities towards her in her workplace and she has a right to health and safety protection as a self employable trader.

Why on earth would a cleaner working in a different room from the home occupier need to wear a mask? I do wonder how some people's heads function.

Well quite. Usually when the kids are at school and DH is at work the cleaner arrives, I say hello and ask after her kids, she asks after mine, and I go out for a walk or to do whatever errands I need to do. By the time I'm home, she's done the downstairs and is upstairs by the time I come home.

Even today with the kids working in their rooms on homeschooling and DH locked in his office, she didn't come within 2 metres of any of us. Most of the time she's on her own in a room, I don't sit there on the sofa raising my feet so she can hoover around me.

@WouldBeGood

I think the problem reality is that most people on the thread today have been critical of the SG as we are all tired, hopeless and pissed off.

Amen to that.

I could literally fight with my shadow today.

I went a long walk in the pouring rain to cheer myself up...

I tried @ssd and the bloody dog cried to go home 😂

[quote ikswobel]**@RaspberryCoulis* you still have health and safety responsibilities towards her in her workplace and* she has a right to health and safety protection as a self employable trader. [/quote]
She can choose to come or she can choose not to come. She is choosing to come. She's a grown woman who has been cleaning for us for about 7 years. We know each other well.

She can do the cleaning wearing a hazmat suit for all I care. She doesn't want to and I'm not going to force her to just to tick some boxes.

@ikswobel do you not understand that 3m people have had literally no government support? Sole traders did not get any money until May last time. Many of us cannot afford to pay for services we are not receiving.

Everyone is going through it just now in one way or another. Not everyone has the same views on these threads and that's ok but the rudeness is just not nice. Generally it's been very supportive. I know you don't enjoy the fact that our first minister is not liked but people are entitled to disagree with her politics and decisions it doesn't make them bad.

@ssd it's been a very stressful day for everyone.

Don't know where we are getting the idea people are non covid believers.

I wish my house was tidy enough to have a cleaner. At least nobody sees it...

I just about survived HS day 3. It really is burst you head stuff. I'm not designed to be a teacher.

I can't actually workout how CnC is much different to before. But yes it will be the small shops most affected. The big places will hand stuff over at the door. Bonkers.

Just a thought on the WFH, surely Nic should WFH, no need for her to have unnecessary journeys to stand on her soapbox. Boris has managed to do press conferences from his flat.

The fall out from the restrictions are going to be far worse than the effects of Covid. When it gets to this level of nonsense for a virus that is now endemic in the population purely to cover up for the mistakes that have been made, i think we are entitled to try to laugh about it so as we don't just cry, or worse.

My friends son will be coming up for 19 in March, he's saying he cant be 19 as he hasn't been 18 yet. No night out with friends, school finished early, no leaving ceremony, now at Uni working at home, hasn't set foot in the place since a year past November. Friends dad died from a stroke not covid but his dementia got really bad during this as he wasn't able to have his routines and he thought he's done something really bad as no-one was allowed to visit, he spent a lot of time crying about that. My brother -in-law died from cancer that should have been diagnosed and treated earlier but he'd been told to save the NHS so he didn't go to his Dr. There are thousands of stories of the effects of this - I bet every household has one.

No-one here is denying covid exists, but i think we are allowed to try to have a sense of humour about it. Everyone's home circumstances are different, it's no point feeling bitter about people you perceive are having it easier, chances are they aren't.

No-one is stopping anyone from having a lovely thread about how well the SG is doing if they want. i'll be happy to stay away from that.

I'm not telling anyone else where they can and cannot post, but maybe read the room? This isn't AIBU.

Anyway, i've already been banned once this year and we are only on 13th January so I'll shut up.

Oh yes, I went walking in sleet for the beneficial effects! What a day.

surely Nic should WFH, no need for her to have unnecessary journeys to stand on her soapbox

TBH I think this is a fair point. As has been said in previous threads, those who make the decisions have probably been the least impacted by their own rules.

@ikswobel I'm in the vulnerable category as someone with 7 disabilities and health conditions. Are you also vulnerable, or just judgemental? I do my best to keep myself safe. That cleaner isn't going to your home and I'm sure the PP will deny entry to anyone with symptoms or if she had symptoms herself. Go tell your dear leader how bad we all are. That same leader who broke the rules herself!

@MamaTookMyEyebrows

What....what if she bans the sale of alcohol altogether? Does she have that sort of power?

can you imagine NS trying to get re-elected after banning alcohol

And I dont care if its allowed , morally it's wrong. Unless you physically cant do your own cleaning, if you cant have your own mother into your home, why on earth would you have your cleaner?
I will follow the law
My morals are not your concern
I am at work when she comes so I don’t see the issue