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Cismyfatarse · 02/01/2021 23:12

As requested.

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NotAnActualSheep · 04/01/2021 17:26

@kurtrussellsbeard

No no just my very humble opinion!
Thanks!

I did think it was a bit odd the SG would admit, through points 2, 3 and 4 that their restrictions/ Facts etc weren't bring followed to such an extent that they had to abandon the "last to close first to open" thing on schools. I agree that as children have had many times more contacts than adults over the past few months, even though they are less susceptible to infection, they do run more risk of being infected by one of those contacts assuming community transmission is high.

I'm still not sure that is justification to close schools though, without (the decision makers) knowing where those infections are "going", and indeed where they are coming from. Or indeed, if lots of children being infected actually matters, if those infections aren't leading to an overwhelming of the NHS, either directly or indirectly. It's just seeming a bit messy, and though I understand the panicked policy response it would be more reassuring to know people had actually looked at the data with the pure thought of whether the risks of children staying at school (the default option) outweighed the risks to them of schools closing.

ikswobel · 04/01/2021 17:26

Bringing in some light www.mumsnet.com/Talk/scotsnet/4058060-bringing-in-some-light thanks @Lidlfix

titsbumfannythelot · 04/01/2021 17:27

Well I definitely have even more respect for teachers after the first attempt at homeschooling icanboogie

WouldBeGood · 04/01/2021 17:29

I don’t hate teachers I’m very grateful to my son’s school who’ve been brilliant.

I just think clinically vulnerable people should be vaccinated first. Then there will be no need for self isolating and bubbles

Arkadia · 04/01/2021 17:35

@LoopyGremlin, that is VERY interesting, it it makes me wonder why the shut primary schools.
I have been telling my kids NOT to go into their friends' house (being largely ignored, but I pretend not to know), but that means I have been wrong all along? I just can't keep up.
I discovered the other day by accident that car shares were allowed. I wonder what the situation is now.

Worst · 04/01/2021 17:36

I have so many daft and unimportant questions about what we can and can't do. Most of them are very 1st world problems, and will probably become apparent in the next few days, but I hate the uncertainty.

Will the dentist still be open? DS has a checkup that he really needs later in the month, and it's already been delayed by 9 months.
Will the recycling centres be open? We have a car-load of furniture that we were going to drop off at the reuse area.
Will banks be open? I need to deposit a cheque.
How about the post office - a bunch of unwanted christmas presents to drop off for returns.
Restrictions on travel for exercise - it sounded like on the one hand you should only go as far as you needed to find a safe outdoor space (which would be the field outside for us), but on the other hand the guidance says I can go further than I could today - up to 5 miles outside my local authority area .... "local outdoor recreation, sport or exercise, walking, cycling, golf, or running that starts and finishes at the same place (which can be up to 5 miles from the boundary of your local authority area) as long as you abide by the rules on meeting other households"

tigger1001 · 04/01/2021 17:36

@MamaTookMyEyebrows

Well I have just found this thread and I genuinely feel like I have found my people Grin

House moves exempt and going ahead according to the guidance so I’m happy with that.

Vaccine roll out is nowhere near fast enough. Can’t help but wonder what the issue is. Less than a million by end Feb?!

I agree re the vaccine roll out. I would think that this lockdown would have gone down better if they had announced that the vaccine programme would seriously be ramped up in January, giving a glimmer of hope that restrictions could start to be lifted in February
Puffalicious · 04/01/2021 17:37

My DH has just 'read online ' that construction can stay open. I'm not sure that's right. He's at a crucial stage in his commercial project so freaking a bit of he can't get in.

Puffalicious · 04/01/2021 17:37

Sorry, posted too soon. Can anyone concur?

TimeforLaChange · 04/01/2021 17:38

It's a great thread with many eloquent posters. But the gendered insults are such a disappointment. Evidenced posts, robust criticism of the government; why ruin your case with petty, biased insults?

Anyway, the timing of the lockdown is particularly grim, given that many can't even go out in icy conditions, for fear of falling etc. Hoping road conditions won't deteriorate.

Invisimamma · 04/01/2021 17:39

Is there any clarity of using informal childcare in this new lockdown?

My dh is a key worker out of the house but I'm working from home. Considering asking MIL to take dc couple of afternoons a week to let me get some work done. She is a frontline NHS worker so happy to weigh up the risk.

I also have a friend who also works from home offering to swap dc one day per week. Would this be 'allowed'?

anon444877 · 04/01/2021 17:39

On a serious note though, you are still allowed to do informal childcare, so you can have other people's kids round if the parents need childcare? I didn't see that changed today?

Worst · 04/01/2021 17:41

@Puffalicious I can't see anything about construction specifically, but its implied that construction can stay open. There is stuff on how you shouldn't use renovating a property as an excuse for a holiday, and stuff on tradespeople entering private houses safely. I would have thought construction was the very definition of work that can't be done from home.

Iwillneverbesatisfied · 04/01/2021 17:41

Please stop accusing me of saying things to other posters that I did not say and singling me out for criticism. As several PPs have pointed out, its part of being in the public eye and all politicians get criticised.

ikswobel · 04/01/2021 17:42

@anon444877 I don't know, that was still allowed in level 4. Would be good to know

NotAnActualSheep · 04/01/2021 17:44

@MamaTookMyEyebrows

Well I have just found this thread and I genuinely feel like I have found my people Grin

House moves exempt and going ahead according to the guidance so I’m happy with that.

Vaccine roll out is nowhere near fast enough. Can’t help but wonder what the issue is. Less than a million by end Feb?!

Yay! Good news on the house move! Definitely go for the sherry...
Nyx · 04/01/2021 17:45

An SNP MP on Twitter confirms construction can stay open 'for now'

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WouldBeGood · 04/01/2021 17:46

Here are the reasonable excuses for leaving one’s home:

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Rae36 · 04/01/2021 17:52

I'm assuming my 7 Yr old can still have a pal round to play in the garden. And I will take ds and a pal to the park. Is that informal childcare or meeting up outdoors? Does it matter? If it gives me or the other mum a precious hour off it will be worth it.

BBCONEANDTWO · 04/01/2021 17:52

If construction can stay open does that also mean tradesmen can still work? I know this is a question I ask every time but it's very ambiguous.

Worst · 04/01/2021 18:02

Looks like construction can stay open, tradespeople can still work etc. This is what us linked to from the main announcement page.

www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-businesses-and-workplaces-that-must-close-and-can-open-at-each-protection-level/

(And answered my own question about dentist, post office, bank, storage unit etc too ....yes they can stay open)

Peppafrig · 04/01/2021 18:05

Well tradespeople can’t work from home so yes they would be allowed to work

Peppafrig · 04/01/2021 18:06

That links hasn’t been updated since 23rd December so wouldn’t include today’s annoc

NotAnActualSheep · 04/01/2021 18:13

I'm STILL confused about the vaccine priorities and may well be being dim. I thought the reason the most vulnerable people (elderly, NHS etc) were prioritised was because they stood the most risk of needing hospital assistance and potentially dying if they contracted the virus (elderly and vulnerable because of their underlying biology and NHS because of the sheer number of infected contacts that could worsen any infection). Obviously some healthy younger people can also suffer badly and need hospitals, but on a population level that is less likely, though obviously tragic and to be avoided if at all possible. Though if the most vulnerable cohort is protected they will be more likely to have treatment available if they do have the misfortune of needing it.

But as I understand, the vaccine doesn't stop you from passing on the virus, though you wouldn't yourself become ill (or ill enough to need hospitalising). But you could potentially spread the virus asymptomatically. So vaccinated people (at the moment at least) still need to self isolate if they are a close contact of a positive person, as they could pass the virus to someone else, still need to wear masks etc etc. In which case, it wouldn't necessarily confer herd immunity at all. The vaccine protects you, but you being vaccinated doesn't protect anyone else. Not sure if the vaccine would prevent "long covid" as I thought that could occur in asymptomatic infections as well as symptomatic people, and it seems the vaccine prevents the latter but not necessarily the former.

I may have that all wrong, and it does seem odd that this vaccine is the only one I've heard of that doesn't give at least some sort of herd immunity, but it does seem to tally with what the government are saying... That the restrictions will apply to you even if you are vaccinated as you could still spread the virus to others.

But if I am right, I can't see why vaccinating teachers (without any particular vulnerabilities due to their age or health that would otherwise get them "on the list") would be of particular benefit to society. Though it would be good for the teachers themselves, obviously, and given the shit they have, that is only a good thing, so I'm not opposed to it at all. But if a child, for example tested positive, and the teacher is a close contact, the teacher would still have to self isolate, which would still be disruptive to the school. Or if the teacher was a contact of someone out of school, they would have to self isolate so their class wouldn't have a teacher. That (vaccinated) teacher could still pass the virus onto a vulnerable relative and so on. The teacher probably wouldn't become seriously ill and so need time off, but as self isolation will still be needed, I still don't see how general teacher vaccination would help keep schools running.

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