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Cismyfatarse · 02/01/2021 23:12

As requested.

Happy to help with home es queries about English up to AH level.

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JudgeRindersMinder · 04/01/2021 15:45

@TimeforLaChange we refer to her as Titler-is that ok for you, she does have tits

LoopyGremlin · 04/01/2021 15:45

@Shorternights

Apologies if I’ve missed this, but is informal childcare (by GPs) still permitted do we think? The Parent Club website obviously hasn’t been updated Hmm
The guidance states only if essential. So I would imagine for work where it cannot be done from home.
DollyMixtureLulus · 04/01/2021 15:46

One of my favourite Glaswegianisms is when children describe food as being ‘nippy’. Always makes me smile.

kurtrussellsbeard · 04/01/2021 15:47

Omg @JudgeRindersMinder aren't you a hoot! 🙄

Outsidemum1 · 04/01/2021 15:47

@iquitelikenormalityafterall

So this is sneaky. The Scottish education recovery group meeting mintues were available on the Scottish government website for their last meeting, 23rd December. They have taken the minutes down, obviously because the evidence in this meeting suggested all harms from lockdowns were worse for children than the threat of covid, which is contradictory to closing schools. Such a political move, they really are just destroying childhoods now. Why should children’s lives be put on hold?! I just don’t believe that cases will ever be low enough in the governments opinion for the schools to reopen. Shocked they took those minutes down, it’s going against scientific evidence to close schools for this long!
Huh? The cabinet made the decision based on the scientific evidence of the chief medical officers of the 4 UK countries.

She said in the announcement that due to the huge increase in cases, having schools open for all is worse than the impact of home learning.

ItsIgginningtolookalotlikeXmas · 04/01/2021 15:48

@Shorternights

Apologies if I’ve missed this, but is informal childcare (by GPs) still permitted do we think? The Parent Club website obviously hasn’t been updated Hmm
My MSP is saying it is (local Facebook page). Although it's not a positive announcement I do feel we might avoid some of the rates I hear for England by this lockdown, which if it works will mean we get back to normality sooner. Nhs staff better dealing with vaccinations than admittances due to Covid.
kurtrussellsbeard · 04/01/2021 15:49

@Shorternights I believe so. My MP tweeting the same. Probably the same MP right enough.

kurtrussellsbeard · 04/01/2021 15:49

Sorry MSP

Outsidemum1 · 04/01/2021 15:50

[quote JudgeRindersMinder]@TimeforLaChange we refer to her as Titler-is that ok for you, she does have tits[/quote]
Really? A woman who has worked her backside off for her country and rose to the highest position in Parliament and you come out with that.

ikswobel · 04/01/2021 15:58

I think if we are going to get into name calling it would be fair game to start laying into Ruth Davidson too. But she is never mentioned on here. So if we can agree that for every name someone calls NS we can call Ruth one too and also have a go at Wee Willie and Patrick's Tardis.
Or we could not and we could just have a general moan about how shit the restrictions are

WouldBeGood · 04/01/2021 15:58

I see the students are out in force again.

WouldBeGood · 04/01/2021 15:59

@ikswobel more incisive political debate 🙄

PlumbNormal · 04/01/2021 16:00

Does anybody know if the keyworker definitions are any clearer? Just applicable to those not working from home?

WouldBeGood · 04/01/2021 16:00

Anyway.. painters and cleaners?

iquitelikenormalityafterall · 04/01/2021 16:00

@Outsidemum1 I was referring to the education recovery group that met in advance of today’s announcement, they have taken minutes down from a meeting on the 23rd of December stating that schools were the best place for children and any risk from covid was outweighed by the damage it does to children. Something John swinney said before schools broke up for Christmas. So now they’ve changed the narrative, they are deleting the minutes of meetings, which I find a bit sinister!

WouldBeGood · 04/01/2021 16:02

Deleting is weird and seems unnecessary.

sweetkitty · 04/01/2021 16:03

No clarity on ASN schools where every child can be classed as vulnerable therefore could be in school. Whole sector feels forgotten about.

I’ve got a 16 year old crying about her prelims.
A lazy 15 year old rejoicing about not going to school for a month.
A DH who is wondering how the hell he’s going to work at home and homeschool 4 DC.

But we have jobs, a house, well fingers crossed stay healthy and get through it as always.

kurtrussellsbeard · 04/01/2021 16:04

Deleting the minutes is not on but the narrative can and will change and I would expect the SG to be responsive to it.

The numbers are skyrocketing across the whole of the UK. They have to change the narrative to respond to that.

StatisticallyChallenged · 04/01/2021 16:05

The assumption that anyone would give a monkeys if you were criticising is somewhat incorrect. I think in the course of these threads most of the posters have said that they're politically homeless or at least not strongly loyal to any party.

There's more criticism of the politicians who are currently in power; threads about the English restrictions focus strongly on BoJo, Hancock et al (who I have seen refered to as Wanksock...) with minimal commentary on the opposition politicians because the reality is they aren't that important right now. It matters very little what Ruth Davidson, Keir Starmer, Willie Rennie etc say or do right now because they aren't the party in power.

But if it makes you feel better to randomly criticise another politician every time the party in power (or their leader) is criticised then crack on.

kurtrussellsbeard · 04/01/2021 16:05

If they have definitely been deleted I'd definitely be contacting my msp. That's shocking.

Peppafrig · 04/01/2021 16:06

So now I need to tell my work I need the entire month off as only keyworkers are getting places at school but non essential workplaces are to stay open. Great a month of no wages. If non essential workers are still required to go to work they should get a place at school like keyworkers children.

StatisticallyChallenged · 04/01/2021 16:06

@WouldBeGood

Anyway.. painters and cleaners?
Last time painters were allowed to work in empty properties I think. Cleaners are technically allowed I think, as are nannies - they're doing work which cannot be done from home.
Arkadia · 04/01/2021 16:06

Perhaps if Ruth Davidson were the FM she would have plenty of courtesy titles too. As she is not, I don't see why she should be bestowed them. If you start giving them left right and center they lose their appeal.

NotAnActualSheep · 04/01/2021 16:09

@iquitelikenormalityafterall

So this is sneaky. The Scottish education recovery group meeting mintues were available on the Scottish government website for their last meeting, 23rd December. They have taken the minutes down, obviously because the evidence in this meeting suggested all harms from lockdowns were worse for children than the threat of covid, which is contradictory to closing schools. Such a political move, they really are just destroying childhoods now. Why should children’s lives be put on hold?! I just don’t believe that cases will ever be low enough in the governments opinion for the schools to reopen. Shocked they took those minutes down, it’s going against scientific evidence to close schools for this long!
I totally agree with this... all this "school is not safe" or "make school safe" is meaningless. Nothing is safe. A child could be run over at the school gates. We aren't suggesting banning cars, or stopping cars from driving past schools (or even forbidding shitty parking by schools... In fact the current situation encourages it as more children are being dropped by car, and parents are waiting in their cars for children to come out, as they can't wait in the grounds). Our school burnt down just before the February break last year, with the fire starting in a classroom just after the end of the day and spreading through an entire wing before the fire service could put it out. That building obviously wasn't safe, yet children were expected to be taught in it. The high school had a wall fall down and kill a child about 5 years ago. That wasn't safe either, and we still don't have a new high school.

The decision therefore has to be whether the benefits of children being in school outweigh the risks, and how much time and money is it appropriate to spend to mitigate that risk and to what extent. The Scottish government has made the decision that the risk of children (and presumably staff) being in school due to covid outweighs the benefit of them being there, being educated, getting social interaction, getting welfare checks, in some cases getting fed and so on. I don't know whether they've considered further mitigations (reducing numbers in classes, spreading teaching into non school buildings, recruiting childcare specialists to assist teachers in some parts of the curriculum to increase adult numbers...) , but it seems not. Without seeing their data and their weighting it is impossible to know whether that is the right decision, but if what you say is that the expert evidence is questioning that decision, I think it is fair that we get to see that.

I also think it's incredible that all children's education, from birth to 18 (and possibly uni level, though, as usual that hasn't seemingly had any coverage from the briefing) is being treated exactly the same, when the evidence suggests that the risk is far from the same. That doesn't suggest an evidence led approach to me. That strikes me as a panic response, which is hardly how we should treat education, surely?

Bytheloch · 04/01/2021 16:11

Minutes shouldn't be removed from the government website, whether you agree with the findings or not. I hope this is picked up by a journalist.

Oh and there’s folk questioning why official Scottish government business is being published on NS personal Twitter account (where people are blocked if they question anything and therefore her timeline is full of supporters and praise). This is also sneaky behaviour, it should all be routed via official FM Twitter. See how much she ‘cares’, by the statement this afternoon that Boris must follow her lead with new restrictionsHmm

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