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Tracks of my tiers

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tinseltitsbumfannythelot · 23/12/2020 06:50

New thread!

Morning all.

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Coquohvan · 30/12/2020 09:53

DH just reminded me, that he gives his employees who get a positive test, full pay for their isolation period.
We came down with something after returning from the Italy Scotland rugby game this spring.
Can’t be sure if it was COVID or not, as testing was so sporadic back then. Gosh that was over 10mths ago.

StarryEyeSurprise · 30/12/2020 09:58

Thanks @Outsidemum1.

Unfortunately, some threads on here appear to be running with a similar rhetoric to UFT- an echo chamber where people rile each other up and when reality is given, it's dismissed or laughed at.

Coquohvan · 30/12/2020 10:03

@WaxOnFeckOff

Anyone know if there are issues for those with allergic reactions?

DH in that category and given I'm still scratching (though obviously not as badly) nearly 2 weeks after developing the issue with antibiotics, I'm a bit wary myself as I'm clearly still having allergic type issues.

Say your earlier post re antibiotics allergy. I would hope your GP would have an answer for you, hope you can get it.
WaxOnFeckOff · 30/12/2020 10:08

Thanks @Coquohvan, I'm really not that fussed tbh as i'm as sure as I can be that I had it in March. I'm way down the list anyway so I don't in reality think it's a question I probably need answered now.

tinseltitsbumfannythelot · 30/12/2020 10:11

I think it might depend on the vaccine Wax.

I volunteered for the novavax trial but couldn't participate as I have v v v mild psoriasis. That vaccine triggers an autoimmune response as it creates protein which binds to the virus.

The rna type vaccines might be better for you.

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fluffyugg · 30/12/2020 10:16

Surely there will be more groups than this vaccinated by Spring...over 70s/75s etc

Tracks of my tiers
Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 30/12/2020 10:22

@Outsidemum1 I have heard that about Scottish Labour, and I don't know what they're hoping to achieve tbh. For clarity, I think the UK Labour position is more principled as it recognises that we have in fact left the EU so there is no longer an option of continuing EU membership (looking at you Alyn Smith), and this vote is whether to accept a deal or reject it (.e. vote for no deal). As everyone from all parties has repeatedly said, a deal is better than no deal, and these are the only options realistically on the table.

Bikingbear · 30/12/2020 10:24

@DollyMixtureLulus

I heard a rumour that the Glasgow Louisa Jordan was being used. I will emphasise rumour!
Ah but used for what???

It's been getting used for out patients for months. I've had an appointment in it and my cousin has also had an appointment in it.

If it's any comfort a nurse I know who was seconded to a covid ward in March is still in her normal job.

Bikingbear · 30/12/2020 10:27

Good news on the Oxford vaccine.

I read something about them looking at using football stadiums for the vaccines too. I'd hope by Easter all the over 70s will have been done.

anon444877 · 30/12/2020 10:28

100 percent agree with you @Y0uCann0tBeSer10us

Disappointed with Scottish Labour when I saw this but overall pleased at the Labour Party position, time to focus on the future and not the past.

DollyMixtureLulus · 30/12/2020 10:58

Vaccinations, @Bikingbear!

Bikingbear · 30/12/2020 11:07

Dollymixture - it makes perfect sense to use it!
I suspected they'd use it weeks ago. It can handle large numbers of people, space to socially distance, plenty parking, The NHS took out an 18mth lease on it.

I thought people were rumour spreading that it was being used for covid patients, along with the £250 fines getting dished out at the Fort.

Bikingbear · 30/12/2020 11:18

Why is Scotland not starting the Oxford vaccine on Tuesday?
The BBC Scotland are saying "likely to start in the next fortnight", yet the main English BBC are saying Monday. I could accept Monday is bank holiday but surely every day the vaccine is delayed is another day of lockdown and restrictions.

It would be horrible to see England getting back to normal and Scotland still fannying around with vaccines.

ikswobel · 30/12/2020 11:21

Don worry @Bikingbear there are 60 million in England and only 6 million here, not grudging them a day or two.
Also they don't have New Year and 2nd as bank holidays like we do, so some admin staff are probably still on leave until Wednesday next week.

Dinnafashyersel · 30/12/2020 12:19

Quick comment on the Scottish Labour position having read Anas Sarwar's statement. I think it is consistent for Labour at WM to vote for the Deal (as otherwise under the terms of the Withdrawal Act Boris could not bind the UK to the EU Treaty and No Deal would ensue) while also symbolically expressing their dissatisfaction with its impact on Scotland via the Holyrood vote. I see Ian Murray is tabling amendments at WM on Erasmus and FS so looks like constructively engaging with the future evolution of the Deal - again consistent.

I am unconvinced Brexit will be an unmitigated disaster for Scotland and certainly a side issue compared to No Deal, Indyref2 or Covid so see it all as political positioning more than anything else. Difficult for Douglas Ross and even Ruth to pivot and remain credible given how outspoken they have been in opposing Brexit and Boris. Jackson seems to be doing a better job ironically.

Dinnafashyersel · 30/12/2020 12:33

On the Covid front the ONS has just published latest death stats for week 51 (w/e 18 Dec). Covid labelled deaths are roughly double the total excess - in April peak they were roughly half. There has been no escalation in excess deaths in E&W which are continuing trend back to average despite the prevailing narrative.

In Spring weekly excess death was 10k+ where now it is 1.5k with strong indication that over half of this is non-Covid deaths at home.

I live with a CEV person. I would not be able to care for them and self-isolate if I got Covid and therefore a test is of little practical purpose afaics. Our coping strategy is to always have 10 days worth of supplies in the house in case. If I got so ill we could not cope then a test would be the least of our issues. However, although I am personally very careful I still send my 2 DC at home to school and out and about within the rules. The reality of risk management is not straightforward and testing and rules are no panacea.

DollyMixtureLulus · 30/12/2020 12:53

How can a test be of no practical purpose?! If you have a cough, or your DCs are coughing, you are still fit enough to be going to school, shops etc. If it’s just a cough, that’s fine, if it is a covid cough, it’s not.

WaxOnFeckOff · 30/12/2020 12:55

Why the SNP back no deal brexit

StarryEyeSurprise · 30/12/2020 13:24

Voting against will be SNP (47) Plaid Cymru (3) The LibDems (11) Greens (1) DUP (8), note that the DUP will vote against it as they want a harder Brexit (yes they are a bit daft). There are some independents and MPs who’ve lost their party whip but the maths is clear; the bill will pass, no matter what the SNP does, so what are their tactical options.

The SNP can vote to ratify the agreement, they can abstain, or they can vote against it.

Option 1 – vote for the agreement and say a hard Brexit is still better than a No Deal Brexit and a no-deal Brexit would be disastrous for Scotland, so we had no choice. Then in every debate on how damaging Brexit has been for Scotland the Unionists will be able to say the SNP voted for it, so they have no right to criticise the after-effects of Brexit, they had the option to vote against but they decided to back it. Plaid Cymru will use Welsh Labor MPs backing the deal as a stick to beat them with for the next couple of years, so expect a handful of Welsh Labour MPs to ignore Kier Starmer’s instructions to be good Brexiteers.

The Scottish Parliament will debate the issue today and will, with the exception of the Conservatives, unanimously reject the agreement. Labour MSPs in Holyrood will vote against the ratifying the agreement and so they would have a field day asking why SNP MPs voted to approve the Brexit deal when the SNP MSPs and the Scottish Parliament as a whole voted to reject it.

Or perhaps people think that Holyrood should back the deal and vote for a hard Brexit that will inevitably lead to many key powers being stripped from the Scottish Parliament?

Option 2 – abstain. In other words, on one of the most important votes those MPs will ever be asked to vote on, they should sit on their hands and allow a hard Brexit to be forced upon Scotland without voting against it. Abstaining under these circumstances is exactly what has undermined the Labour party’s credibility time and time again on Brexit.

I know they could walk out of the chamber and that’s appealing to some independence supporters but that’s just abstaining with panache. However, the press would call it stomping out in a huff and that would stick with undecided and soft No voters who voted remain and want the SNP to continue to reject Brexit.

Option 3 – vote against ratifying the deal. Clearly the problem here is that if you vote against the hard Brexit deal and it falls, then the Conservatives will say the SNP forced a hard Brexit on the UK. That would indeed be disastrous but the numbers indicate the bill will pass by many hundreds of votes so there is no danger of that. That means the SNP has the flexibility to vote against a bad deal, to vote against a hard Brexit that will cost Scottish jobs, slow our economy, make exporting more difficult and importing more expensive – so why wouldn’t they?

Conclusions

Options 1 and 2 do nothing for the SNP and, in fact, undermine their future case against Brexit and the use of Brexit as the material change that justifies a second referendum. How can the SNP use the 2021 Holyrood manifesto say Brexit is against Scotland’s democratically expressed wishes (62% Remain) and that it justifies Indyref2 when they voted for it?

There is no easy option; the phrase Hobson’s Choice comes to mind, but voting for a hard Brexit or abstaining (with panache or not) are suicidal options for the SNP. Voting against is the moral position and puts them on the right side of the argument. The target audience for the SNP is without doubt former No voters who voted Remain and they will see that the SNP was true to its word and fought Brexit till the end. This will trump any claims by Brexiteers that they were risking a No Deal Brexit, which will be seen as obviously and demonstrably false, just as soon as the votes at Westminster are counted.

fluffyugg · 30/12/2020 13:24

Scotland starting vaccinations with Oxford vaccine on Monday...on bbc now

anon444877 · 30/12/2020 13:27

I find myself agreeing with you on that too @Dinnafashyersel - I'm glad we're moving on from the negotiations into the reality of it. On Erasmus, I was outraged having seen short tweets etc but the reality of it is that it's a subsidy to EU students that benefits them more than it benefits us - surely it should at least be equal?

Now given the number of EU students coming to Scotland, I can see Erasmus going being something upsetting to the university sector, but there is a replacement, and the UK as a whole has many world leading universities, if the replacement means less funding for universities overall we can rely on universities to continue to kick up a stink can't we?

I don't quite get why there's so much outrage on Erasmus when the scheme is being replaced.

StarryEyeSurprise · 30/12/2020 13:31

And no, I'm not trying to persuade anyone to join the SNP! I'm not a member. Just providing some reality.

anon444877 · 30/12/2020 13:50

ha wax I completely agree with that clip!

StarryEyeSurprise · 30/12/2020 13:56

@anon444877

I find myself agreeing with you on that too *@Dinnafashyersel* - I'm glad we're moving on from the negotiations into the reality of it. On Erasmus, I was outraged having seen short tweets etc but the reality of it is that it's a subsidy to EU students that benefits them more than it benefits us - surely it should at least be equal?

Now given the number of EU students coming to Scotland, I can see Erasmus going being something upsetting to the university sector, but there is a replacement, and the UK as a whole has many world leading universities, if the replacement means less funding for universities overall we can rely on universities to continue to kick up a stink can't we?

I don't quite get why there's so much outrage on Erasmus when the scheme is being replaced.

The problem is that the PM confirmed we wouldn't leave the scheme and yet now has decided to. The replacement is costing £100m and is not an exchange programme. Universities here will lose out.

This was not part of negotiations in that the EU were very happy for us to remain part of the scheme but the Tories decided they want Scotland, England or Wales to be removed from it.

NI are still in it and the FM has asked for the Tories to allow Scottish students to stay in it too

StarryEyeSurprise · 30/12/2020 13:56
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