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Morning all.

I didn't say it was only the deaths that mattered.

"What matters is how many people are dying from (not with) covid and how many people require hospital treatment because of covid."

Do you think that people ill and dying from other things don't matter? My BIL died from cancer, almost certainly due to late diagnosis because we were all discouraged from going to the Drs and then from lack of treatment. In the meantime, then and now there are empty hospital beds.

Its not just deaths. .long covid is a hellish thing too. Or even just side effects that affect your quality of life, even a wee bit.

If you have symptoms it’s not necessary to get a test. You should stay at home.

Isn’t it reassuring to know all those people are still well enough to get themselves to a test centre to generate the alarming positive test figures.

That’s why only the figures for hospital admissions due to acute covid symptoms and deaths from Covid as the primary cause, are the only ones we should be concerned about at the moment.

@ssd

Its not just deaths. .long covid is a hellish thing too. Or even just side effects that affect your quality of life, even a wee bit.

It’s certainly not hellish compared to recovering from chemotherapy or trying to sustain good mental health during yet another lockdown if you’re living with an untreatable cancer or progressive illness.

Sorry wax x post there

Long Covid is a fact but whether it is any more of a fact than other post viral complications that people get is yet to be determined. The point is that we don't shut down the entire country for any other illness with similar outcomes.

We've got ourselves into a hellish spiral that we will struggle to ever get out of. Someone needs to stop the bus and reassess the route.

No byetheloch it's not comparable, but I guess if you've got it its hellish to you.

I know someone who has it. She's suffered (what is currently believed be be) permanent organ damage and significant neurological difficulties.

What would you do was?

I really wouldn't know where to start, everything I think should happen has an opposite effect that would affect something else badly

Wax not was bloody phone

You know @ssd I've really stopped looking at it as it's not doing me any good but what is clear is that lock downs don't work. So not lock downs. I think we need some multidisciplinary, non political, non agenda group to look at everything from across the world and actually make some sensible decisions on what is best practice/follow the science and try to get ourselves into a better state where the actual truth is known and the information is clear and available and decisions are open, proportionate and sensible.

That just sounds far too sensible to work in this day and age.

Which is depressing but true.

A new low, I’ve just seen an advert from Ryanair along the lines of ‘vaccines are coming so you can book your holiday to these locations’
Ends with the slogan
‘so you can Jab & Go’

Horrific.

Not really. The thought of a week in the sun this summer is keeping a lot of folk going I imagine.

It's a bit crass but I wouldn't say horrific.

God "jab and go" is a very new low.
I think lockdowns do work but completely totally and utterly had it with them. There is no way out of them - vaccines will be the end of it hopefully. This is the worst bit yet, knowing it's nearly over.

@ssd

Not really. The thought of a week in the sun this summer is keeping a lot of folk going I imagine.

It's a bit crass but I wouldn't say horrific.

Great for those that are still employed, right? More concerning is the suggestion that you can travel freely once you’ve had the vaccine🤔

If you have symptoms it’s not necessary to get a test. You should stay at home

Disagree with this. Some may live with a CEV person or care for a CEV elderly relative. You must get a test in these & similar instances.

If you have symptoms it’s not necessary to get a test. You should stay at home

Disagree with this too, you need to know so others that you've had contact with can be made aware, surely?

I'll try again Lockdowns don't work!
The guy with the graphs and stuff, does anyone have the link? I can't find it.

I've asked for my first post to be deleted before I cause panic.

If you have symptoms it’s not necessary to get a test. You should stay at home

This is the exact opposite of the advice which was changed when mass testing was brought in. In April this was the advice because they did not have capacity now they do.

It is vital to get a test in order for the track and trace process to work and ensure that any close contacts also isolate as otherwise its allowed to spread into the community for a longer period of time. This is especially important for people who are asystomatic.

Any of the symptoms you should book a test for and isolate until the results if negative or the end of the isolation period if positive

@bikingbear not sure which one was posted before, probably one of Ivor Cummings ones - maybe this one?
Not listened to it all the way through so possibly not the same one:

Here's another thread about the situation in the south.

Hospital staff, tell us the reality http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4119363-Hospital-staff-tell-us-the-reality

@Coquohvan

If you have symptoms it’s not necessary to get a test. You should stay at home

Disagree with this. Some may live with a CEV person or care for a CEV elderly relative. You must get a test in these & similar instances.

Goes without saying that if you live with someone at risk your protocol is related to your situation.