Tier 4 SE England have come to holiday house

[Goingdooolally]

Near my mum in Edinburgh (who is clinically vulnerable).

I am so upset about this. They have come to their holiday house with their teenage kids from Tier 4 SE.

I don’t know if I’m fixating on this because of my worry for my mum but I am so mad and upset. They are quite selfish people at the best of times.

Help! Tell me I need to get over it.

But @Bytheloch don’t you think it’s unfair that my mother should now have to hide away in her own part of Edinburgh because of selfish behaviour of others (who don’t need to be there)? I think it is. She has an underlying health condition but has been managing ok mentally up until now. I’m beginning to think you’re being deliberately obtuse if you can’t see that? This isn’t AIBU it’s Scotsnet.

And actually it’s not just about my mum, it’s about everyone it could affect and about entitled people not being selfish buggers.

@Bytheloch

www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-on-travel-and-transport/#travelbetween

You couldn’t just decide to go for a run to Newcastle unless you had a reasonable excuse . You would be breaking the law as clearly stated here in this link. Obviously going to work and school are reasonable excuses . But just deciding to go for a wee drive everyday over the border and back is breaking the law .

I’m very sympathetic to your mother’s situation, my own elderly relatives have been doing the same since March.

If the plan is to now hide away because of some arrivals from England (not the only ones) then that’s a different matter altogether.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/18961036.marquess-bute-among-seven-charged-alleged-covid-lockdown-breach/

I was shocked by how many tourists were in Edinburgh at weekend- pretty obviously tourists when they’re using a map to find their way up the royal mile! Lots of groups of what appear to be foreign students too. I guess they could just be staying in Edinburgh over the holidays but they seemed to be sightseeing. Quite a lot of folk towing suitcases around yesterday too. Bit of a joke when we can’t go to visit I relatives for a couple of days!

I despise the attitude of ' keep those at higher risk indoors' so others can carry on as normal. The selfish attitude towards others is why the UK and America have had so many unnecessary deaths from covid.

I despise the attitude of ' keep those at higher risk indoors' so others can carry on as normal
I agree.
It's a disgusting attitude: expect vulnerable people to lock themselves away for a year so that others can frolic around at their second home knowing they've left a tier 4 area.

Then again, it seems the dominant view on here is 'do what you like, travel wherever you like, go off for a leisurely peruse of the shops despite being told to stay at home, claim it's for your mental health and if anyone questions it call them the stasi or covid police and tell them to mind their own business'. Naturally, it would never be these people's actions who have contributed to the current situation. They're special and exempt from everything you see.

Actually to all those saying it’s not a big deal are bonkers, you can’t drive from SE and not interact with anyone at all!!! I used to live in SE and now in Edinburgh and know that drive well

Three of my family in SE England have tested positive for covid this week, spread across SE and not in contact with eachother so from caught different places. One of them is very very ill. Lots of teenagers will have it

so theres a high chance they bought it with them

Should call 111

A family friend of ours died this week of covid it was horrific, he would not have died yet

*people need to take this pandemic seriously!!’

People are drying because people like you lot aren’t taking it seriously and I’m glad the OP is!

It's a disgusting attitude: expect vulnerable people to lock themselves away for a year so that others can frolic around at their second home knowing they've left a tier 4 area.

How is expecting everyone to lock themselves away for a year any better? Obviously in an ideal situation you wouldn't lock anyone away, but we're not in an ideal situation. There's definitely an argument for let other people carry on, keep the vulnerable shielded, and by not trashing the economy you can then properly support the vulnerable (financially, shopping done for them ect) and they can then come back out once it's safe to do so. By properly financially supporting them and putting protections in place (I.e. employees not allowed to discriminate against them/fire them for being off) we'd be looking after them. It's not perfect and needs some kinks ironing out, but I can see some merit in the people advocating for this.

@DayslikeThese123

Actually to all those saying it’s not a big deal are bonkers, you can’t drive from SE and not interact with anyone at all!!! I used to live in SE and now in Edinburgh and know that drive well

Three of my family in SE England have tested positive for covid this week, spread across SE and not in contact with eachother so from caught different places. One of them is very very ill. Lots of teenagers will have it

so theres a high chance they bought it with them

Should call 111

A family friend of ours died this week of covid it was horrific, he would not have died yet

*people need to take this pandemic seriously!!’

People are drying because people like you lot aren’t taking it seriously and I’m glad the OP is!

So sorry to hear that. I don't think people realise how bad the situation is in the SE and there's a weird 'we shouldn't talk about it ' feeling from some on here. Surely an awareness is always good as too many don't realise how quickly covid can spread.

@arevioletsreallyblue

It's a disgusting attitude: expect vulnerable people to lock themselves away for a year so that others can frolic around at their second home knowing they've left a tier 4 area.

How is expecting everyone to lock themselves away for a year any better? Obviously in an ideal situation you wouldn't lock anyone away, but we're not in an ideal situation. There's definitely an argument for let other people carry on, keep the vulnerable shielded, and by not trashing the economy you can then properly support the vulnerable (financially, shopping done for them ect) and they can then come back out once it's safe to do so. By properly financially supporting them and putting protections in place (I.e. employees not allowed to discriminate against them/fire them for being off) we'd be looking after them. It's not perfect and needs some kinks ironing out, but I can see some merit in the people advocating for this.

No one's saying everyone needs to be locked away for a year. You can leave your house, yes?

No one's saying everyone needs to be locked away for a year. You can leave your house, yes?

Ah yes, because being able to go for a walk is so akin to having the freedom to continue my life, go to work and earn, and see friends. The vulnerable can also go for a walk. But for all intensive purposes I am under a stay at home order, so amc in a way, locked away.

Exactly! I agree with your comments, it’s so rampant and the fact that 3 different members of my family in the last 10days have all tested positive in different areas of the south east, not interacting with each other, shows how rampant it is. And now I know someone who died, not classed as ‘vulnerable’ either, I can definitely see the seriousness. My DH is senior in the NHS here too and I can tell you it’s not great behind the scenes. The attitudes on here are appalling and I really think people need to pull themselves together, face some hardship to protect others

@outsidemum1 oops last comment was meant as a response to you! I definitely can agree with your points.

Sadly mumsnet continues to be a weird mix of ablest comments about making the vulnerable bear the greatest burden or ‘it’s not that bad let’s just carry on/leave others to carry on as usual’ whilst expecting the overworked NHS to just look after us all

No one can take any responsibility for sorting this out it appears...

Thanks for your comments everyone. I’m so sorry to hear about these serious Covid cases.

This family have been silent on SM at least so I’m hoping that they’re sensitive to it. With the Marquess of Bute being charged with similar they need to be careful.

I was so angry and upset yesterday, I gave myself a migraine. I’ve decided just to leave them to it and not report it. I hope they’re being sensible. For my own mental health I need to turn off from it. It was like a lightening rod for all my stresses (I’m a teacher so this variant news is extra worrying and I don’t know how the new term is going to work).

I appreciate all your input. 💗

@arevioletsreallyblue

No one's saying everyone needs to be locked away for a year. You can leave your house, yes?

Ah yes, because being able to go for a walk is so akin to having the freedom to continue my life, go to work and earn, and see friends. The vulnerable can also go for a walk. But for all intensive purposes I am under a stay at home order, so amc in a way, locked away.

I’m so confused by your points, are You saying that disabled/chronically ill (or to use the current language ‘vulnerable’) people should be treated as second class citizens? Do they too not have friends, children, jobs? Why should they bear the burden of this crisis? Sounds like rampant ableism and exceptionalism to me... you’re not special... we are all suffering in some ways and some of us it’s the grief of losing loved ones to covid

@DayslikeThese123

Exactly! I agree with your comments, it’s so rampant and the fact that 3 different members of my family in the last 10days have all tested positive in different areas of the south east, not interacting with each other, shows how rampant it is. And now I know someone who died, not classed as ‘vulnerable’ either, I can definitely see the seriousness. My DH is senior in the NHS here too and I can tell you it’s not great behind the scenes. The attitudes on here are appalling and I really think people need to pull themselves together, face some hardship to protect others

Couldn't agree with you more. If I see '99 per cent will survive ' one more time.. I saw a good picture, I'll try find but essentially I think it was showing heavy rain and a group of people under an umbrella. Some were carrying the weight of the huge umbrella over them all and the others were doing as they normally would and saying it's not even raining.

@ShirleyPhallus

Just because they’ve come from tier 4 it doesn’t mean they actually have covid, and unless they’re actually in the same room as your mum it’s very unlikely they’d infect her anyway

And this sums up the imbecilic thinking that has put us all where we are...

@Goingdooolally

Thanks for your comments everyone. I’m so sorry to hear about these serious Covid cases.

This family have been silent on SM at least so I’m hoping that they’re sensitive to it. With the Marquess of Bute being charged with similar they need to be careful.

I was so angry and upset yesterday, I gave myself a migraine. I’ve decided just to leave them to it and not report it. I hope they’re being sensible. For my own mental health I need to turn off from it. It was like a lightening rod for all my stresses (I’m a teacher so this variant news is extra worrying and I don’t know how the new term is going to work).

I appreciate all your input. 💗

Hope you feel better soon and you sound like a caring person. Teachers are definitely not being looked after well enough and I hope the break gives you some rest 💜

@Trickyboy definitely, as my comment above. I used to live in the SE and all my family still live there and the amount of people I know personally who have had covid in the the SE in the last 10 days is immense (none of these people live in the same area of the SE either and did not interact),
Including one death. It is absolutely rampant down there and I am shocked at the trivialising attitudes on here

Agree .. about the 1% bollocks ...

1% of our ENTIRE population is 66k... we are already passed that Mark.

So far in the uk 2.1 million have tested positive 68 k are dead. I make that in excess of 3.2% mortality.

That's the dead. Much higher number for those with long term health issues as a result .

Lesson to me not to do maths after two margaritas

Uk populations 68 mil. 1% is 680k which thankfully we are not close to.

Total cases so far are 2.1 million. Total deaths are 68k (although we know it's much more)

That's over a 3.2% mortality rate.

@Trickyboy definitely, as my comment above. I used to live in the SE and all my family still live there and the amount of people I know personally who have had covid in the the SE in the last 10 days is immense (none of these people live in the same area of the SE either and did not interact),
Including one death. It is absolutely rampant down there and I am shocked at the trivialising attitudes on here

Funny. I live in the SE and don't know anybody who's tested positive since pre November lockdown. And that includes lots of people who's only connection is me (I.e. don't know each other in any other capacity, nor live in the same area). I haven't even heard of friends of friends getting it. You're, 'I used to live there anecdote' doesn't count for much and also fails to take into account the SE is absolutely massive. There's a big difference between someone from inner city London and someone from a hamlet in the Home Counties.

[quote arevioletsreallyblue]@Trickyboy definitely, as my comment above. I used to live in the SE and all my family still live there and the amount of people I know personally who have had covid in the the SE in the last 10 days is immense (none of these people live in the same area of the SE either and did not interact),
Including one death. It is absolutely rampant down there and I am shocked at the trivialising attitudes on here

Funny. I live in the SE and don't know anybody who's tested positive since pre November lockdown. And that includes lots of people who's only connection is me (I.e. don't know each other in any other capacity, nor live in the same area). I haven't even heard of friends of friends getting it. You're, 'I used to live there anecdote' doesn't count for much and also fails to take into account the SE is absolutely massive. There's a big difference between someone from inner city London and someone from a hamlet in the Home Counties. [/quote]
@arevioletsreallyblue

Yes I lived in SE coast then to London for 22 years and know three family members, two in different parts of SE coast and one near London who has had it in last ten days, symptoms and tested positive. That is concrete. One family friend died on Monday... it’s tragic and horrific.
You’re lucky but it’s not going to last because it is spreading. I hope you don’t have personal
Experience I am having but it can’t be ignored and pretend it’s going to be OK.

These aren’t friends of friends or some vague people I know, these are close family members I’m talking about that I speak to a lot. Covid is serious, I am talking from my direct experience. My DH also works senior in NHS in Scotland so I have an awareness of this illness from many angles