Tier 4 SE England have come to holiday house

[Goingdooolally]

Near my mum in Edinburgh (who is clinically vulnerable).

I am so upset about this. They have come to their holiday house with their teenage kids from Tier 4 SE.

I don’t know if I’m fixating on this because of my worry for my mum but I am so mad and upset. They are quite selfish people at the best of times.

Help! Tell me I need to get over it.

@byvirtue

You are over reacting. Most people do not have Covid.

I know! I feel I’ve lost a sense of proportion which is why I posted on here. If it were a good friend I’d be more forgiving I think. There is a history of entitled behaviour from this couple that has made me 🤯

Personally I would call the police non emergency line. The law has been in place since 20th of Nov unless they are moving out or there is damage there isn't a exemption.

Fed up with the well its their house argument that doesn't give anyone the right to break the law.

That is what the guidance says, yes, though how they would know the boiler has broken or the roof leaked without going there is a mystery! The actual regulations don't make that distinction though(schedule 7a 3(l)). Obviously if they were nevertheless fined and challenged that and had to prove in court that they were acting in accordance with the guidelines for level 3 they may have to show what emergency repairs they were making, to prove they had reasonable excuse. But overall, I think that's unlikely.

Aye it's fine then (!)

Not fine, no, but not obviously meriting a call to the police, as they are not risking anyone's safety purely by being in the house and have (arguably) a reasonable excuse to permit travel to that house. I'm surprised it would be seen as a valid use of police resources to send an officer to investigate an "almost certainly plague bearing family from England staying in their own house by themselves". If they are having nightly house-parties while there, that's another matter.

While here though, they have to abide by level 3 regulations (level 4 from boxing day).

no,while they are there they must abide by the restrictions in the place they have come from, if they are stricter. So they have come form tier 4 and must abide by those restrictions while in atier 3 area (granted I know that the ries are different scotland/england, but the tier they are coming from is stricter.) that means stay at home, no meals out, no non essential journeys etc

@steppemum I’m pretty sure they will be doing what they want - shopping eating out etc... I only hope that having seen the advice to self isolate in the north of England if coming from the SE that they may pause. I am so tempted to say what a shame you have to self isolate etc... but that would be passive aggressive and make me look bad 😁

They are selfish twats report them . Maybe we do need roadblocks after all. It’s amazing the amount of people who don’t know it’s been law not to cross the border since November is baffling .

The thing is if it was just one family doing this then it won’t make any difference.
But how many more are travelling up to holiday homes, 10, 50, 100?!? That will have an impact.

@steppemum

While here though, they have to abide by level 3 regulations (level 4 from boxing day).

no,while they are there they must abide by the restrictions in the place they have come from, if they are stricter. So they have come form tier 4 and must abide by those restrictions while in atier 3 area (granted I know that the ries are different scotland/england, but the tier they are coming from is stricter.) that means stay at home, no meals out, no non essential journeys etc

Oh, I didn't know that was the case in Scotland - just England. You could well be right. Though it'll all be moot on boxing day anyway!

I thought the Scottish guidance just said you should not travel to another area in scotland to avoid protective measures (travelling to T1 from T2 or T3 for a drink for example... not that you should leave T3 anyway). Implying if you were there for a valid reason, you just behaved as if you lived in that area. I may be getting confused with the Christmas bubble advice that definitely did say you had to abide by the rules of the level you were in.

If it were a good friend I’d be more forgiving I think.

See, obviously we all feel different about over friends over strangers, but it makes your post a tad hypocritical then if you wouldn't be as arsed about the rule breaking if it was a friend.

It’s amazing the amount of people who don’t know it’s been law not to cross the border since November is baffling .

I do agree, but it is hard enough trying to keep up with our own nation's rules, and that is very much a "Scottish" restriction (it's not automatically illegal to leave England, just to enter Scotland without reasonable excuse). I think most people living in Scotland were aware, but it definitely wasn't covered much in the rest of the UK other than on the day it was introduced (and 2 months is aaaaages in coronatime).

OK, people travelling should be familiar with the rules of the area they are travelling to, but if they just looked up "restrictions for Edinburgh" or "Level 3 restrictions" for example, it isn't obvious from the "levels" page on the SG website that this is an overarching rule... You have to go through to another page of guidance and there is no reason you would think to do that if you weren't intending on leaving your council area once here. They are in error not knowing, I agree, but we can't all be expected to be fluent in all the rapidly changing coronavirus rules for all areas. People make mistakes or miss out important pieces of information, especially when spread out in so many places and so internally contradictory. (For example, the SG level 4 page still says schools are open in level 4, and childcare is available, when this is not going to be the case between eg 5th and at least 18th Jan. Yes, that information is available elsewhere usually by tweet made on Sunday morning but why would people think to look for information they don't know exists, that the government's own website tells them is not needed?! ).

My neighbours were laughing as they put boxes of booze into their car boot and loudly told us that they were off to the Lake District for Xmas.
Shame on them for ignoring the rules - they are selfish bastards anyway - but more shame on the cottage owner for allowing them.

I realise the last bit of my rant is utterly irrelevant to the OPs post... But the amount of time I have spent trying to find what should be easily available information on the SG website over the past year is really considerable. And then they change it, or move it. Yet we'd be blamed if we got it wrong...

I agree and disagree it clearly states on the UK government website that if you are thinking of traveling to Scotland , Wales or Northern Ireland then check out the rules via the links they provide to the home nations websites. If I was traveling to any other country I would check out their rules before I go. Just like I do when I go on holiday as the laws are different in each place . On another thread when pointed out to someone she couldn’t just travel to Scotland and her reason wasn’t listed in the essential travel rules. She said well I listen to what Boris says he is my PM not Nicola Sturgeon. It’s sheer ignorance . You wouldn’t go to American and expect to just follow the laws of England.

@LadyLazaruss

If it were a good friend I’d be more forgiving I think.

See, obviously we all feel different about over friends over strangers, but it makes your post a tad hypocritical then if you wouldn't be as arsed about the rule breaking if it was a friend.

Not fair and taken out of context. I literally acknowledge that in my post and talk about the history of selfish behaviour from these people that has tainted my view. Is this right or wrong, I don’t know?

Literally not taken out of context at all - you said it. And so what if they've got form for it? Why would it be different if your friend did it instead?

@NotAnActualSheep I can’t give details as it’s too outing but they would have known about the rules and have chosen to ignore them.

I’d phone the police. They might go round and have a chat, but they’ll not send them home

So if they have come, fully stocked with food and planning to keep themselves to themselves, distanced and isolated for a safe period, what on earth is the point of expecting the police to come in contact with them?

[quote Goingdooolally]@NotAnActualSheep I can’t give details as it’s too outing but they would have known about the rules and have chosen to ignore them.[/quote]
Have you got Boris, Carrie and some of Boris' indeterminate number of children staying next to your mum?! I've got a few journalists who may be interested in that if so

@LadyLazaruss

Literally not taken out of context at all - you said it. And so what if they've got form for it? Why would it be different if your friend did it instead?

Well they are (kind of) friends of ours! I mean if another friend without a selfish history did it then it wouldn’t annoy me so much. It’s too outing to say anything else but there’s lots of things they’ve done that have meant this has pissed me off more than it might have done otherwise. I’m really angry about it! The history of selfish behaviour has a cumulative affect and affects your option of someone. That’s why I asked on the forum. I don’t think I’m being a hypocrite.

@Peppafrig

They are selfish twats report them . Maybe we do need roadblocks after all. It’s amazing the amount of people who don’t know it’s been law not to cross the border since November is baffling .

Please understand that people cross the boundary border every day for work, even school. Eng to Scot and in reverse. It’s not illegal. It’s Nicola’s guidance, not some legal arrangement with border checks. Quite simply, I could drive to Newcastle today if I wanted to.

Yes, you’d probably be pulled over with a car full of suitcases, or if speeding through that area, but apart from some idiot protestors over the summer who thought otherwise, it’s reassuringly not illegal to leave Scotland and vice versa.

@NotAnActualSheep like when they went to Applecross? Bad move. They are pretty SNP over there. Almost felt sorry for Bojo but not quite.

@RainingBatsAndFrogs

I’d phone the police. They might go round and have a chat, but they’ll not send them home

So if they have come, fully stocked with food and planning to keep themselves to themselves, distanced and isolated for a safe period, what on earth is the point of expecting the police to come in contact with them?

Haha- pretty sure they will not be self isolating. I’m pretty sure with teenagers they’ll be out shopping , cafes, etc...

OP it’s really not your business if they are going out to cafes. Those businesses are deemed to be covid safe and will also close again on Boxing Day, so need all the support they can get.

If your concern is for your mother, keep her well away from everyone. That’s all you need to worry about, right?