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Tier 4 SE England have come to holiday house

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Goingdooolally · 21/12/2020 13:52

Near my mum in Edinburgh (who is clinically vulnerable).

I am so upset about this. They have come to their holiday house with their teenage kids from Tier 4 SE.

I don’t know if I’m fixating on this because of my worry for my mum but I am so mad and upset. They are quite selfish people at the best of times.

Help! Tell me I need to get over it.

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arevioletsreallyblue · 21/12/2020 15:33

@Outsidemum1

Areviolets We're all going to be in tier 4 and in Scotland we've had stricter restrictions hence much lower covid rates. But by your thinking, we should all have a nice wee holiday if we fancy?Let's all just fly across the country to a city of our liking (!)
My logic isn't we should all have a holiday, way to put words in my mouth Hmm

Just have a little empathy. The OP talks about concerns for MH with no regard for the MH of others. It can help to look at things from a different perspective and see these neighbours as desperate struggling people just trying to do the best they can, even if their best is slightly misguided, than just view them as selfish fuckers. No ones out to cause anyone else misery or problems. And a massive problem with this pandemic is the amount of pitting people against each other it's caused. You can still think other people's actions are wrong whilst also understanding that they're borne out of desperation, not just being 'evil people'.

Dozer · 21/12/2020 15:35

You dislike and are judging these acquaintances’ actions, as is your prerogative. But their presence locally is v unlikely to make a difference as regards your mum’s personal risks.

Hurryupbaby11 · 21/12/2020 15:36

I agree it's selfish OP and not in keeping with what's been asked and devoid of much empathy for others.

Hopefully they keep themselves to themselves whilst they are there.

My only other comment would be to remember not everyone in Tier 4 has the virus - the chances they do are still relatively low but I understand your concern about the new strain and how contagious it's meant to be.

I'm in a Tier 4 area myself with lower than average rates, lower than some areas in Tier 3 and even 2) so it can be a little frustrating when some posts (not yours) make it sound like we're all the problem.

I hope your mum stays well.

coronafiona · 21/12/2020 15:36

That is SO selfish of them. Angry

Bytheloch · 21/12/2020 15:41

Would they have been so selfish if they’d come from Aberdeen, Glasgow or Shetland?

To the PP who suggested calling Police Scotland Biscuit

Outsidemum1 · 21/12/2020 15:42

"Evil people '? Who's putting words in people's mouths? What makes them different to any other family? Just because they're wealthy enough to afford a second home in Edinburgh it makes it ok for them to travel there to spend the Christmas period?
I have huge empathy for people who are on their own over Christmas, who have lost their jobs, children who haven't seen grandparents ( mine included). I don't have empathy for a family choosing to go on holiday over the Christmas period. People taking actions like this is why we are still having our lives affected enormously. Yes this family might not have covid but if everyone does what they've done ....

Tal45 · 21/12/2020 15:43

They don't sound like desperate people if they're always on social media saying what a wonderful time they're having. They're also not 'just doing the best they can' if they're swanning off to Edinburgh - no one 'needs' to go to their second home. They sound like they think the rules don't apply to them which often seems to be the case with the rich (and I'm assuming they are pretty well of if they have an empty second home in Edinburgh).

Outsidemum1 · 21/12/2020 15:49

Exactly. My MIL is spending Christmas on her own. Why? Because she lives rurally and we can't risk taking the virus there. She knows this and is doing it for the greater good.
A family that has each other are 'desperate' and it's ok they've travelled to Edinburgh as they can't be expected to see out Christmas together in London? Honestly, I give up.

Bytheloch · 21/12/2020 15:49

Wow to how well you all seem to know these part time neighbours of the OP.
Ever considered their situation and why they might have travelled to another part of the UK? Just like my friend who has gone down to Norfolk, from Glasgow to work ‘at home’ and stay nearby elderly relatives, one of whom is very ill. I’ve assumed her to have not been judged coming down from Scotland where we’re not covid free either.

Outsidemum1 · 21/12/2020 15:49

Sorry not London the SE. Although it doesn't really matter where they're from.

Ohdeariedear · 21/12/2020 15:50

Police Scotland were fining people going into Edinburgh city from East Lothian the other week so I’ll happily take my biscuit thanks.

GabsAlot · 21/12/2020 15:51

so according to this thread its ok to travel from tier 4 to a second home then

Bytheloch · 21/12/2020 15:56

No, according to this thread it seems to matter where they are from. If it’s their house, it’s perfectly fine for them to go there for the holiday and then they can behave as per that tier for the duration of their stay.
Feel free to report them, OP if they do not abide by any of the mandatory level 3 then level 4 rules when outside their own home, but absolutely no need to panic or judge where they’ve come from.
What about all those people travelling across Scotland over this next week? Going in to houses on Christmas Day and mixing. Do you all want to report them too?

DecemberDiana · 21/12/2020 15:57

The variant had already been detected in Glasgow and Nicola sturgeon herself said there are obviously going to be more cases in Scotland that haven't been detected.

Just let it go is my advice.

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Goingdooolally · 21/12/2020 16:05

@Bytheloch

It’s actually not perfectly fine for them to go to their second home for a holiday. It’s illegal to cross the border into Scotland.

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Goingdooolally · 21/12/2020 16:06

And @Bytheloch I know enough to know it’s just a holiday. Not essential travel.

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ginghamstarfish · 21/12/2020 16:09

Report them. FUnny how many of those with holiday homes seem to think they are don't have to abide by the same rules as us poorer individuals. They sound like selfish twats.

Mydogmylife · 21/12/2020 16:10

@THisbackwithavengeance

Why does it matter unless your mum actually lives with them?

The virus isn't going to spread like a dust cloud out of their front door into your mum's house.

They own a house in Edinburgh and pay council tax for it so are as entitled to live there as much as your mum is.

It staggers me that folk think like this! It's as though the restrictions and travel bans put in place for everyone's safety don't apply if it affects something you personally want to do. So much for the governments touching faith in people taking personal responsibility
Ohdeariedear · 21/12/2020 16:10

The attitude of “Just let it go” is a part of the reason we’re back where we are. We seem to have lost any sense of collective responsibility. Someone sees this family doing this and thinks oh well of they’re doing that, why shouldn’t I do what I want.? It’s the Dominic Cummings effect.

Bytheloch · 21/12/2020 16:12

[quote Goingdooolally]@Bytheloch

It’s actually not perfectly fine for them to go to their second home for a holiday. It’s illegal to cross the border into Scotland.[/quote]
It’s not illegal unless Police Scotland have roadblocks up that I have missed but whatever.

Wasn’t necessary to include where they’ve travelled from in your original post. Your concern for your mother is valid and emotional of course, but as I said earlier, would you have the same concerns/even posted this if they’d travelled across from Glasgow or come from Aberdeen?
It’s really not worth the worry, look after your own family and let them look after theirs.

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Goingdooolally · 21/12/2020 16:13

I don’t think I’m going to report them as there may be a big fall out from that . (Can’t go into details as outing) however I think I may message him when I’ve calmed down. He knows my mum and I may just say how upset I am and ask them to be careful and just think about what they’re doing. He’s actually generally a nice person (just selfish).

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Goingdooolally · 21/12/2020 16:17

@Bytheloch of course where they came from is relevant! They have very high cases (relative to Scotland) and this new strain has been detected there. They have teenagers (highest cases in that area). Also it shows a disdain for the rules that is a real two fingers up to us.

But yes you are right that I need to turn my brain off to it. It’s so hard.

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DecemberDiana · 21/12/2020 16:17

I'd see them and think they were selfish. I certainly wouldn't be imitating them.

But the police won't do anything. And escalating it would be aggravating for most of us. (But hey if it makes you happy..)

I'd try to get my own head in order and reduce stress.
Stress has a big effect on the immune system and at this point we need to look after ourselves as well as possible. Control the controllable.

DecemberDiana · 21/12/2020 16:19

My post was in response to Ohdeariedear.

Dozer · 21/12/2020 16:26

What do you hope to achieve by messaging one of them?