Tiers Of A Clown

[Bytheloch]

Thread #3456

Released from our dirty T4, but still bamboozled. Let’s keep each other sane on here...

@Wbeezer We are Fife residents with a DDat StA.

If you are going again we are very happy to lend you our postcode. We live a few miles away and would require nothing more than you have a good meal in return.

It makes me so cross.

DS returned from University last night - in filthy, foreign, virus ridden England. He crossed the border under cover of darkness and amped up his accent in case of challenge. He was born and brought up on the West but the authorities seem to have been fooled and he is now home.

Cismyfatarse
It makes me angry too.
No thought or consideration for people driving a distance for a legitimate reason and needing a break.
For years there have been campaigns for drivers to take a break, have a rest. Except now all that's been tossed aside, drive for hours collect a student drive home. No rest, no coffee, no food, it's so dangerous someone is bound to end up in an accident because of it.

To be fair, we only live a few miles out of Fife so we weren't driving for hours, Just fancied rewarding DS with a treat! Hadn't thought about how awkward it would be for people driving a long distance . It's the lack of common sense that irks me, i was trying to combine collecting DS with some Christmas shopping, and a food shop to cut down on trips out and my council ward has a similar infection rate to St Andrews... Just have to thole it a bit longer..

Yip no common sense.
I've a single parent friend who collected their student from Aberdeen yesterday too. So not even able to share the drive.
And I know off an English business traveller who got stranded in Glasgow when their hotel cancelled 'we aren't allowed English people'

It's so dangerous. People will end up with unnecessary risks

@Bikingbear

Why stick with more of the same?

Everything seems to be getting worse in Scotland, schools slipping down the PISA table, unemployment rates, industry is practically nonexistent, working class towns with no real work. Promised support for Bifab and boof they've gone to the wall too. What's Scotland doing to protect jobs, support the struggling industry we do have, have the softplay centres been given any money yet?
I'm still thinking about the poor guy from the Saltire Softplay pleading for help after months of no money or trade.

The last thing Scotland needs after covid and brexit is another referendum. We can see how hard it is to get a deal with Europe. What sort of deal would we get with our biggest trading partners?
You can see how hard Boris is playing it with Europe. Exit from the UK would be exactly the same. Oh and there's you share of the Covid debt.

Get your passport out at Carlisle?
Shetland put the fingers up and go for independence.
Going back into Europe, if they wanted us, wouldn't be in the deals we have now, you'd be forced into the Euro. Hand back access to Scottish waters. What about the oil will they want a share of that too?

The world has just shrunk. We've just proven many people can work from anywhere. How is that going to be controlled in the long term future?
The man who works out his spare room, in Glasgow, employed from London.
Does he suddenly buy a share in a flat in Carlisle so he has an English address that enables him to keep his job, he can use the address to open an English bank account, pay his taxes to England, dodging the higher tax rates in Scotland.

Anyway hows the 2m crackers going?

Ah, The Tories- The Tories don't want a deal. That's why we don't have one. We are the laughing stock of Europe. Yes BJ will not be in charge forever but the current UK Gov have orchestrated what will be in their own words the worst financial crisis since records began ( due to their unbelievable mismanagement of the UK during the last 9 months) and furthermore screwing over 4 countries in order to make a mint for their friends through no deal Brexit. Financially we're f*cked and the British Medical Association advised them that no deal will cost lifes.

Ruth Davidson said Brexit will destroy the economy and she'd resign if Scotland weren't given the same deal as NI ( we of course, haven't been) but she changed her tune when bribed with a seat in the Lords and fell in line with what BJ wants.

Labour- Liars and in bed with the Tories which I thought voters would care about but looking at this thread I see there are the ' anyone but the SNP' voters. Richard Leonard , in Parliament, said this week that the leader of Edinburgh Council was told by the SG they were moving to Tier 2. The leader released a state saying this is not true and asked for him not to use him to tell lies for political again. They are no longer socialists. They are the red Tories which works for people like those in the thread who will vote for whoever is most likely to beat the SNP.

Independence will not be more of the same. The fact the UK Gov were saying ' We have the vaccine first due to Brexit' and ' because we're better than everyone else ' when it was created by a German company just makes me want to vomit. I expect we'll have a decent opposition, not funded from and controlled from London whose job is not to make life better for Scots but to 'eradicate devolution' and bring control back to WM fully (Douglas Ross' words ).

Ah that feels better. Oh and it was a four nations agreement re non essential travel across the four countries. I know it's probably tongue in cheek and I hope you don't really think the FM gets some sort of orgasmic reaction to doing what nearly every other leader of a country has done during the pandemic.. I do see there's no ' she's a racist' posts this time around despite the fact they were there before when she'd only said she can't rule it out but I digress...

Anyway off out for the day. Have a good Sunday all :)

Oh just quickly.. over the weekend we had the UK Government exceed themselves with the ' We'll bring gunships ' threat when leaving a union of countries formed to ensure peace. 👏 Nationalism at its worst.

There was some discussion up thread about why we did or did not vote snp. I won’t vote for them for a myriad of reasons such as the hate crime bill and gender stuff, nothing to do with independence.

I do not though think that a referendum in 2021 is a good idea after the Covid and the coming horrors of Brexit.

I am not a Tory and despise Boris et al.

I can’t vote green (misogyny)

Labour, maybe, depends.

And the SNP are the government so it’s logical and healthy to question their actions. The weird twists like no music or alcohol in pubs and shutting at such an early time don’t help, and are not replicated elsewhere. The refusal to acknowledge the problems in Scottish society which have made us suffer so badly in the pandemic is also not good.

All government benefits from a healthy opposition and I wish there was one in Scotland as well as in Westminster.

I also which there was rigorous scrutiny by the media rather than the feeble questioning. And the papers are a joke.

I’m also concerned by the corruption currently evident in the whole Murrell/Salmond/Sturgeon thing and the campaign against Joanna Cherry.

So, those are my reasons for being unhappy with the SG.

And I agree that the English Tory government is abhorrent. It’s not an either or though.

@Outsidemum1, I really don't buy into the narrative that says that "London is there to shaft Scotland". If anything, why would they? Why would they even care? Scotland is rather big, but sparsely populated and with oil almost gone hasn't got much to offer. If they want to "shaft" someone, it would be London itself or the South in general which is where the people and the money are. The idea that the UK government's first (and sole?) riority is to "shaft" Scotland is preposterous.
What is not preposterous is the fact that the local government whine and whinges NON-STOP. Nothing is EVER their fault, not even the matters totally devolved.
And yet, people buy into this nonsensical narrative. Maybe the opposition parties should ask themselves why that is and solve THAT problem, instead of constantly enabling the SNP.

@Bikingbear I’m going to try it too.. off to google to see if I can get snaps for them

@WouldBeGood I agree with a lot of what you've said. I was an SNP voter but I'm genuinely not sure what I'm going to do in May. It's not to do with covid, and I'm in Indy supporter, but I'm also really concerned with the road the SNP's going down regarding GRA, the constant criminalisation of football fans, the mess that is education, and the horrible in-fighting in the SNP. I'm also an independence supporter but don't think a referendum in the next couple of years is a good idea, which means that a lot of the other left leaning minority parties are out too. And God knows where the Green Party are headed (previously a serious option). Nothing but trans on Patrick Harvie's Twitter feed, ever.

@icanboogieboogiewoogie I think Patrick Harvie has flipped! It’s obsessive. Disappointing too.

[quote WouldBeGood]@Bikingbear I’m going to try it too.. off to google to see if I can get snaps for them[/quote]
Found snaps on that crazy place call Amazon.

On a positive note, @Bikingbear, I’ve found paper hats and cracker snaps on Amazon for around £3!

😃 crosspost

Last thing... photo shared by local pub

Maybe I'm dim but I've never understood why the SNP want to cut ties with Westminster because they don't like being told what to do by those horrible English people, but are happy to join the EU and be told what to do by horrible people in Brussels.
Surely the fiasco of the Brexit deal will give them a taste of things to come if that happens. Unfortunately there are still a lot of dyed in the wool SNP supporters who think the sun shines out of St Nicola and nothing will change their opinion

I agree with @Outsidemum1 negotiating a divorce agreement between an independent Scotland and the tories would be an absolute nightmare, much worse than Brexit in my view.

Also can see we're nearly halfway through the thread so would like to nominate tracks of my tiers for the title of the next one.

Not to divert the thread again but just to let those interested know that I woke with fever again, called 111 and ran the gamut of the covid obsession and managed to speak to a lovely doctor eventually who has ordered me in antibiotics and told me to ignore the text to order a covid test. Fever clearly related to infected elbow.

Tracks on my tiers sounds fab for the next thread and loving all the plans for crackers. Remember, photos or it didn't happen..

Glad you got antibiotics, it sounded a bit worrying to me! What a run up to Christmas you've had.

Oh, @WaxOnFeckOff sounds rubbish but glad you are getting sorted out

DH was going a bit nuts as a colleague of his had the same thing and ended up in hospital. I don't feel as bad as that but obviously don't want to risk it.

Happy Sunday everyone.

@titsbumfannythelot 👍🏼😆 (as long as our tyre tracks have been made on legal journeys?!)

Good to see a bit of pushback on this thread, it’s healthy to be reminded that we haven’t all seen the light (after 13 years) and the division of this once great nation of Scotland is only going to get worse between now and May/until there’s a nother once in a lifetime referendum. Sigh.

Waxon glad you have got antibiotics. On my 18th (not yesterday) I got a pair of Doc Martin boots. Which gave me a blister on my heel. It got infected and it was so sore and swollen. GP sorted me out with antibiotics and a tube of cream. It was so much better within a day or so.

Re independence, UK and Europe are both digging their heels in. I don't doubt for a minute that Scotland and the rUK would be any different. Except Scotland would have other bits wanting to separate too.

Nicola will end up like Nigel Farage. No where to be seen.