Tiers Of A Clown

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Thread #3456

Released from our dirty T4, but still bamboozled. Let’s keep each other sane on here...

I'm packing the cavity walls with bottles awaiting prohibition where i will become an alcohol kingpin, make my fortune and retire to somewhere suitably English where there is no extradition treaty...

Have a great time @hilbil21

Thanks all I feel like a right rebel lol

I don't know but hmrc probably raking it in from supermarket alcohol sales though. All their people drinking alone in their flats as this year has been so awful etc.

Another public health crisis looming. Seeing lots of comments about people sat at home all day on furlough with nothing to look forward to. A drink out with friends is a very different animal to a bottle on your own at home.

Sorry x-posted and completely misjudged the mood.

Make the most of it hilbil.

Was just talking to someone who works for a supermarket chain's main booze warehouse and indeed, absolutely record bottles being shipped...

friends DH works in a parcel facility and says most boxes are crates of wine.

Agree @Dinnafashyersel but that will also be the public's fault ...and putting pressure on the health service.

I'm packing the cavity walls with bottles awaiting prohibition where i will become an alcohol kingpin, make my fortune and retire to somewhere suitably English where there is no extradition treaty...

Nooooo! You're muscling into my business model there. Except my stocks are declining almost as quickly as I replenish... So I don't think our patches will need to overlap waxon.

Another public health crisis looming. Seeing lots of comments about people sat at home all day on furlough with nothing to look forward to. A drink out with friends is a very different animal to a bottle on your own at home.

Yes, also this... No, seriously, it is much easier to over-drink when you don't have to worry about getting home. And cheaper. Or just to slip into the habit of having a glass every day, rather than "oh, I only drink when I'm out". It is a worry that it's being normalised.

Defo different territories!

I agree about the home drinking, I have a family history of alcohol issues so it's something i am wary of. I'm probably drinking less than I ever have as for me I'd rather the chocolate calories than the alcohol ones. I'm not a big drinker and even when out i'll often drive or just have a low alcohol option anyway but I resent the fact that I can't order a bottle of cider with a meal out as a change from soft drinks. Or indeed pop to a pub for a drink or two just because I'd like to. Anyone who has the audacity to complain is made to feel like they are a rampant alcoholic by the usual mouthy elements of the SNP support.

Re the issue of having a covid passport - three of my children (teenagers/ young adults) have anaphylaxis level allergy to a variety of foods.

In particular my son has been allergic to vaccines before - and I’m really not sure he should get it.

Wonder where that leaves people like my children?

Are the children otherwise unwell @ThatsNotYourPassword ? - I'm not planning to vaccinate mine because they aren't at risk from covid, and indeed one has confirmed as had it and fortunately hardly had any symptoms.

I'd hope as we get into next year questions for those the vaccine isn't suitable for can be answered.

I'm hoping there's an answer soon too about those that can't have the vaccine, as I cannot.
I've read up and it seems one can get exemptions for countries requiring a yellow fever vaccination, if one can't have it, so I suppose it will hopefully be similar.
Otherwise I've seen my family abroad for the last time. They're not well off enough to get a visit visa to come and see me.

I'd hope there would be challenges from civil liberties groups if people who are not at risk from covid are mandated to have a vaccine in order to travel. I hope that doesn't come to pass...flu vaccines are optional.

This is why I get hacked off when there is a lot of "it's just like other vaccines you need to travel" when really it's not. Most vaccines for travel are about protecting yourself rather than others, there are so many people who can't have this, there is such a long priority list to have it and actually covid is relatively harmless to most who get it, the cat is out the back in virtually any country you can travel to and there are cheap available tests to quickly check if you have it (not PCR).

*cat is out of the bag

Brutal as it is, I think keeping Edinburgh in level 3 before Christmas is the right call.
Opening up hospitality with level 2 rules, even if it's just Edinburgh people, would hugely increase the mixing of people in venues ( and on public transport ). Where else at the moment, do you sit in a room full of people without masks? And alcohol does increase the loudness of customers and encourages more people to go out.
I'm affected, as I'm on lower hours and less tips, as well as the constant risk of getting Covid or having to self isolate.
I'd prefer to avoid a full lockdown or hospitals overrun in January.
These decisions are hard, because if they work to suppress the virus transmission, then they're seen as a massive overreaction.

We’re in tier 1. Only we’re not really in tier 1 cos we can’t be trusted to visit a friend at home. But we can sit with them much closer together at a table in a room full of people. 🙄

Oh and the vaccine was touted as providing protection for the recipient. It is not known if it stops you from spreading the virus so I’m questioning the logic of mass vaccinating those who have a 99.99% chance of surviving the disease.

I think the point is @Perihelion that the Scottish government laid out a framework for each tier which now appears to be meaningless.

It’s difficult to have faith in government by apparent whim.

I think it’s now accepted that it does stop transmission - saw that this week somewhere ?

And we’ve seriously talked about relocating to England if the Snats get their independence. Luckily there’s English blood in the family.

So we should stay permanently in restrictions just in case we can't cope with a future outbreak? I am 100 percent in favour of protecting those at risk, I would hope families and friends of those people are already doing that. I know we are, we have seen one set of elderly relatives only in Feb, and the other only in august this year.

But surely the point of the levels is that lower levels have lower numbers/ lower infections/ lower risk of inundation to the local health services, so it is safer to take part in "riskier" activities. We can already sit in a restaurant with our mask off until 6pm. In level 2 we'd be able to do it til 8pm, and get a bit louder with a glass of wine, because there's less covid around. Except even with the lower numbers we aren't being allowed that, "to keep us safe".

It is very frustrating that we're promised the stringent restrictions are "just for a wee while, to bring down the numbers, and then you can do a bit more because there will be less risk to you". But when we get to that level, we're told "oh, just a little bit longer. It's still dangerous to go out, you know, and we're not sure you can be trusted."

DS rumbled that kind of tactic with me "in a bit, wait a while, you can have it when you've done x" when he was about 4.

@Puggledandperplexed I'd seriously hope to see regions who aren't in favour making moves to remain as UK if we do get to the to other side of a referendum next year.

That's the point, though, hospitals were never overrun. Some parts of some hospitals were are breaking point but not overrun and there is no indication based on other countries with little or no lockdown that that would ever be the case.

@WouldBeGood

I think it’s now accepted that it does stop transmission - saw that this week somewhere ?

Ooooh. If this is true, everything would make so much more sense! I thought it was kind of hoped it did a bit... even if just that people weren't coughing so much, so less likely to spread it everywhere. But I hadn't seen it confirmed. That is very reassuring in terms of protecting vulnerable people who can't have it for whatever reason, and in terms of herd immunity. Otherwise I'm not sure I see the point of vaccinating the entire population, even those who are at low risk of severe disease.